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Of Making Many Books

And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end (Ecclesiastes 12:12) A pdf version of this essay  can be downloaded here [*] Years in brackets refer to an individual’s or book author’s year of birth Thought experiment for the day: Anyone born 1945 would be pushing towards 80 and mostly past their prime. So name any Charedi sefer written by someone born post war that has or is likely to enter the canon, be it haloche, lomdus, al hatorah or mussar. Single one will do for now — IfYouTickleUs (@ifyoutickleus) July 27, 2022 A tweet in the summer which gained some traction asked for a book by an author born from 1945 onwards that has entered the Torah and rabbinic canon or is heading in that direction. I didn't exactly phrase it this way and some quibbled about 'canonisation'. The word does indeed have a precise meaning though in its popular use it has no narrow definition. Canonisation, or ‘entering the canon’ is generally understood to...

Of Making Many Books

And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end (Ecclesiastes 12:12)


A pdf version of this essay can be downloaded here

[*] Years in brackets refer to an individual’s or book author’s year of birth

A tweet in the summer which gained some traction asked for a book by an author born from 1945 onwards that has entered the Torah and rabbinic canon or is heading in that direction. I didn't exactly phrase it this way and some quibbled about 'canonisation'. The word does indeed have a precise meaning though in its popular use it has no narrow definition. Canonisation, or ‘entering the canon’ is generally understood to refer to a book which has gained wide recognition if not acceptance and near-universal reverence and adulation. Alternatively referred to as a ‘classic’, it could refer to anything from Chaucer's Canterbury Tales or any work by William Shakespeare to contemporary creations like the Harry Potter series. In its original sense the canon refers to certain hallowed religious works like the bible, which though not the subject here, still blends the original meaning with its contemporary popular use.

I was referring to written works in the field of Torah that have garnered near-universal acceptance and recognition within Charedi communities and from where they usually filter into the Orthodox Jewish world at large. For, rightly or wrongly, what is revered in Charedi communities will generally gain acceptance amongst Torah scholars in the non-Charedi world (yes, such scholars do exist), but which is not necessarily the case in reverse. Save for some notable exceptions – Kehati mishnayos ([*]1910) come immediately to mind – books on Torah subjects from outside the Charedi world do not very often breach the Charedi ghetto walls. Rav Kook (1865) and Rav J.B. Soloveitchik (1893) are a case in point. Both Torah luminaries in their own right, both prolific writers who trod a very non-Charedi path and both remain firmly beyond the pale for probably the majority of Charedim.

One argument advanced in the replies was that it's too early to judge. Books, the argument goes, are like a fine wine. They need time to mature and often will not reach their full potential within the author's lifetime. So given my relatively limited and recent timespan, a shortage of canonisation candidates at this point in time should not come as too much of a surprise.

My reply to this is that firstly, even if a work has not yet soared to stratospheric heights, the period since 1945 is still long enough for a book to have gained sufficient traction for an imprecise discussion like this. Moreover, there are plenty of exceptions to this generalisation and which firmly disprove the notion that death is a necessary precondition for immortality. Mishne Berureh (1838) took off immediately on publication and the Chazon Ish (1878) had achieved renown already within his lifetime when he was known by the title of his eponymous works. Even closer to our time, Shemiras Shabbos Kehilchoso (1927) was established as a classic well within its author’s lifetime, notwithstanding the controversy upon its initial publication and the sanitisation, or “chumreh-isation”, process it was required to undergo in later editions to make it more palatable for the times.

Furthermore, we are by now well into the fourth generation of those born in 1945, and given our young marriage age some may already be closing in on a fifth generation, so sufficient generational gaps have opened up during this period to allow for an author's work to gain fame and recognition. The seforim Chofetz Chaim and Shemiras Haloshen were published when the author was not yet 40 and the first two volumes of Mishne Berureh were published before the same author had turned 50, while the first volume of Chazon Ish was published when its author was a mere 33 years old. By contrast, someone born even in 1965 is now approaching their 60th birthday and it is legitimate to ask where is the magnum opus of the post-war generations and what masterpiece have we produced to show to ourselves and to the future as the fruits of the endeavours of our era?

Most commenters indeed understood the gist of my question and the responses, which were far more numerous than I had anticipated, provide a fascinating insight. What, however, shed most light was not any long or shortlist, but the paucity of serious contenders in the first place and the surprise shortage of worthy candidates. As one respondent put it, the question left him "pretty stumped". Truth said, I was stumped myself when the question first popped into my head and I'm happy to admit that that was my very point. So let's get some stuff clear.

I am after a work credited to an individual on a Torah subject, be it al hatorah, shas, halakha, lomdus, shalos utshuvos, machshove, mussar, or whatever Torah subject the author has chosen to write on. As I’ll go on to explain, our generation has produced some remarkable works by committee which will likely last for a long time but that’s not what this tweet was about. I’m after that work that is authoritative and revered, or one simply acclaimed as “genius”, which despite the overuse of that label still gives an idea of the how the work is popularly perceived. A Reb Akiva Eiger, Pnei Yehoshua, Noda Biyehudah, chidushim of Reb Chaim or Reb Shimen and countless others that fill the shelves in our shuls and homes. Books that are as known to Bar Mitzvah boys in those circles where they’re gifted seforim as they are to wizened and furrowed brows. Admittedly, not every classic perfectly fits this description and such lists almost invite disagreement by their very nature. Yet it should still not prove too difficult to compile even a contentious and invidious list if there was an abundance of candidates.

I chose the year 1945 because it is a watershed year in general and much more so for the Jewish people. Not only was it the end of the most catastrophic war in human history, but for Jews it was also the beginning of a new universe. If we ever came close to a tabula rasa, a wiped slate - I hesitate to use the more common phrase, clean slate, in this context - 1945 must be it. It marks a clear dividing line between what was on the one hand the culmination of the most calamitous half decade for the Jewish nation when countless communities were annihilated and an entire way of life eradicated, but which was also the beginning of a prolonged Jewish golden age. From the rebirth of Jewish life after the carnage of the Holocaust and the creation of the State of Israel to the rebuilding of destroyed communities by Holocaust survivors and others across the world, 1945 truly marked, particularly for Jews, the end of the worst of times and the start of the best of times.

For the purpose of this post, the year 1945 also set off an explosion of Torah study and Torah institutions in Israel, the United States, Europe and elsewhere, reaching the unprecedented numbers we are experiencing today. And not just in pure demographic terms as measured by the populace of Orthodox Jewry and Charedim, but even more so in the exponential growth of dedicated Torah students, those who colloquially "sit and learn", making Torah study in one form or another their lifelong occupation.

Someone born in 1945 would have come of age in the 1960s by when this Torah revolution was already well under way with the establishment of chadorim, boys’ and girls’ schools, yeshivas, seminaries and kollelim all created and nourished in this new era. Like never before, these institutions took root in a friendly environment where they were permitted to thrive with almost no hindrance by the authorities and broader citizenry and often with the strong support of national and local governments. And so, after several generations nurtured in this hospitable climate, it is fair to take stock and ask, what have we to show for this on the Torah intellectual front?

My enquiry is not a value-based question and if, for better or for worse, a sefer has "made it" then it must be included. Oz Ve'Hodor Levusho on tznius by R. Eliyohu Falk (1944) would have deserved a place as a classic of our time, but for the fact that the author missed the nominated period by a whisker. Whether or not one approves of its content, is hardly the issue. The fact is that the sefer is a constant point of reference on a central preoccupation of contemporary Charedi life. Just ask the countless women who've been driven up the creek and the children who've been denied a place in schools on the back of this work.

And so getting back to the question in my tweet, it would seem from the generated responses, that the answer, alas, is not much. Sure, some names kept cropping up. Minchas Osher by R. Osher Weiss (1953) seems a strong contender for the future, especially when the current fad for chumrehs has fizzled out. Badei Hashulchon by the recently departed R. Feivel Cohen (1937) was a warranted strong presence, although strictly speaking it is outside the date range. Its volumes are regularly spotted on the laden tables of almost any half decently stocked shul or shtiebel and they often feature as highlights in seforim sales. Piskei Tshuvos by R. Simcha Rabinowitz (c.1950s) was another strong contender with a fair number of mentions. There were also some nominations for Nitei Gavriel by R. Gavriel Tzinner (c. mid to late 1940s) which due to its many volumes, down-to-earth style and encyclopaedic coverage of minhogim has garnered wide recognition. Another nomination given to me privately was Chelkas Binyomin on Yoreh De’oh by R. Binyomin Cohen (son of the aforementioned R. Feivel Cohen) which is written and laid out in a similar style to Mishneh Berureh and which, according to the nominator, may in its field of Yoreh De’oh even surpass Mishneh Berureh in its parallel field of Orach Chaim. I’m not in a position to judge, though for the time being I think it would probably fail purely on recognition terms since both the book and its author are hardly household names and the sefer is not regularly seen or cited. There was then a variety of seforim getting one or two shoutouts plus, this being twitter, a fair amount of facetious suggestions too. Whatever the case, the addition or substitution of one or two nominations will hardly make a dent in the general picture because in total the point has been far better made than I could have envisaged when posing the question.

Near enough to eighty years or over three-quarters of a century of an almost unrivalled golden age of Torah and it would appear that we have abysmally failed. An explosive demographic, hundreds of millions if not billions raised in finance for Torah institutions, buildings erected on every other corner, yet when we try to evaluate the fruits to assess what those children have turned into and what those astronomical sums have bought us, the answer is, not that much. Our raison d'etre is Torah, yelled at us in piercing decibels, "TOIREH! TOIREH! TOIREH!" but try weighing up that Torah in tangible intellectual output by those People of the Book doing little else but poring over those books and you draw close enough to a blank.

Whether at best or at worst, we have barely more than a handful of indisputable classics by an individual born and raised in this era and within those even fewer that are actually innovative and which take our understanding and knowledge significantly further than where we were before. What is glaringly absent in almost all the nominations is a work of true scholarship by an individual that has gained near-universal adulation. A work where a subject is evaluated, where previous texts are engaged with and, dare I say, even criticised, or at the very least critiqued. I'm not saying that such works do not exist, but from the replies submitted it would appear that if our times have indeed produced a work of this calibre then it must be a very well-kept secret that has not come to the attention of many.

Even amongst the nominated titles, very few of them are al hatorah, none on shas, none on mussar, none on drush, none on machshoveh and almost all to a tee are on halakha. And Minchas Osher aside, even the halakha seforim are not so much applying and adapting halakha to modern circumstances, but are either kvetching each se'if in Shulchan Oruch for the last available chumreh, or merely amalgamating, reformulating and re-ordering what is already known and has been continuously said over the years numerous times.

It is as if the entire Torah has been entered into a giant database and all we are doing is applying ever more creative searches and then re-sorting and re-filtering the results. And once those results are returned, the author runs off to the usual roster of Gedolim and Rebbes for an approbation beginning "How esteemed is the day" to see yet another re-arrangement of the same material. Well, the day may be esteemed but our times are anything but. For if the answer to most shalehs nowadays is negative, not much is required to justify that stance. And in an age when even some of the most prominent poskim respond to shalehs monosyllabically or with a nod, why should anyone make the effort to provide reasoned decisions which no one will ever read and even fewer act upon?

To illuminate the point, it is useful to take the parallel period of seventy-seven years pre-, rather than post-, 1945, and compare seforim written by anyone born in the years between 1867 and 1944. Those generations were of course cruelly cut short by the Holocaust and yet they gave us (in reverse chronological order) Shmiras Shabbos Kehilchoso (1927), Tzitz Eliezer (1915), Shevet Halevi (1913) Minchas Yitzchok (1902) and Igros Moshe (1895) all on halakha. That period also produced giants of the stature of the Brisker Rov (1886) and the Chazon Ish (1878), each individually an author of classical works, and Reb Elchonon Wasserman (1874) whose Kovetz Shiurim and other works remain popular in the yeshiva world. In other fields there is Sharei Aharon al hatorah (1932) and Be'er Moshe (1889) also al hatorah but Chasidic interpretations. Also on Chasidus, there’s Nesivos Sholom (1911) which is considered a classic in its field. On mussar there is Chovas Hatalmidim (1889) first published in 1932 and whose popularity isn't related to the author's Holocaust martyrdom, while on machshovo and hashkofo there is Rav Dessler's (1892) Michtav M'Eliyohu (published posthumously). Also on hashkofo there is Vayoel Moshe (1887) which irrespective of one’s stance on the subject of Israel and Zionism is still considered a seminal work and an important contribution to a central issue of its and our times.

These are just some examples of seforim by authors born during the same period length, many of which took off during their author's lifetime, and that have so far stood the test of time in that they remain authoritative (especially those on halakha) and are still widely known and referenced. Yet despite the list being far from comprehensive it still highlights how far back we have fallen.

Rewinding slightly from this period by just a few years, and there were luminaries like Reb Chaim Ozer Grodzinski (1863) and his sefer Achiezer, seforim by Reb Shimon Shkop (1860) and Reb Boruch Ber Leibowitz (1862) on lomdus, Chofetz Chaim and Mishne Berureh (1838) on mussar and halakha and Shem Mishmuel (1855) and Yismach Yisroel (1853) on Chasidus.

Although not directly relevant, the not-too-distant past also produced such Torah giants as R. Menachem Zemba (1883) and the Rogatshover (1858), to name but two, who though not particularly famous for their written works had outsized reputations as Torah geniuses. The Rogatshover especially, is comparable in Torah lore to the place occupied in popular culture by Albert Einstein with parallels even in their respective unkempt hairstyles. Yet our post-war era, despite our far superior living conditions, economic prosperity, tolerant environment and technological advances, has predominantly only likutim after likutim and a mass of chumros to show for itself in written works, and a collection of charismatic babas and shamans in personalities.

It is worth pausing here for a moment. For make no mistake, we have not been sitting idle during this period and there has been an outburst of energy and innovation in our communities on other fronts to develop our culture and facilitate our way of life. Buildings have sprung up in our different neighbourhoods to accommodate our explosive demographics and house our flourishing shuls, schools and burgeoning religious institutions. Kosher food has been transformed in range and breadth and the kosher wine industry is beyond recognition. Charedi media has exploded exponentially in Hebrew, English and Yiddish propounding a Charedi outlook and lifestyle. It does so confidently, often swaggeringly, with an increasingly right-wing conspiratorial worldview on everything from Israel and covid to education and Trump. Hand in hand with the thriving media is the political awakening, predominantly in Israel and New York, with its distinct Charedi flavour of victimhood combined with special interests and favours, which is fuelled by the same media. So much so, that one leading Charedi newspaper went so far as to declare its “mission” to protect Trump from his detractors in the mainstream media. Irrespective of where one stands on the politics, it still seems a novel if not strange position to take on a matter which at best affects Charedi Jews only indirectly.

On the creative and cultural end, there is of course the never-ending stream of Charedi and particularly Chasidic music in a wide range of genres, from the ear-piercing to the soulful and a fair amount of the doleful too. The visual arts may be poorly served which is hardly surprising given the extent to which we eschew television, cinema and other forms of visual entertainment, but even here there are emerging music videos, advertising and publicity clips and even comedy clips such as Bardak on the fringes, which show creative minds at work. A real gap, though, exists in the pictorial arts which unlike music has hardly moved on from paintings of Kever Rochel, some moss on the Kosel, gedolim portraits and a dancing chosid with a fiddle.

And then there is the spoken word. Telephone and online resources like Kol Haloshon, Torah Way and many others host tens of thousands of hours of podcast equivalents in a variety of languages created by Charedim for a Charedi public. Shiurim and talks catering for every taste and preference, including special lines and talks for women, which are constantly being added to and available for the cost of a phone call or less if it’s online. Telephone resources have taken off even more in Chasidic communities that are largely offline (officially, at least) and which have developed phone lines for disseminating communal, local and international news, views, politics, the happenings in the rebbes’ “courts” and with a fair bit of propaganda thrown in for good measure. A trailblazer in this field is Kol Mevaser, a sophisticated telephone-based (recently also online as Yiddish24) smorgasbord of news, opinion, shiurim, interviews, call-ins, parsha and yom-tov droshes, business advice, dieting tips, coaching talks and a whole lot more.

On the book front too, our printing presses churn out reams of publications that did not make it into the tweet replies, and I’d say for good reason. First and foremost are the numerous bestselling Hamevoar/Hameforash and the likes. Linear translations of the prayer liturgy like sidurim, machzorim, selichos and kinos into a contemporary formulation. I dare not say Modern Hebrew, because when targeting the Charedi market the point is very much to avoid anything sounding too ‘modern’.

While classical texts with glossaries and commentaries are as old as Rashi and perhaps older, the current fad is for spoon-feeding the texts in the linguistic equivalent of a baby mush. The phenomenon started around the 1970s with Tehilim Hamevoar by Gedalya Segal, which then took off seriously with selichos and machzorim by Yaakov Weingarten during the 1980s and has since been imitated by many others on a much broader field and far beyond the original liturgical texts.

The formula is simple: take any text, reformulate it into a contemporary style, flesh out the often terse text of the original by rephrasing sentences, inserting conjunctions, deciphering abbreviations, adding punctuation and, far too often, by substituting five words for a single word that perfectly fulfils the task. If brevity is the soul of wit, one may ask what the soul of this outpouring of verbosity consists of. Almost any prayer or liturgical prayerbook is ripe for monetisation in this manner and that the style of the original is butchered in the process, converting beautiful prose into raw long-winded verse is hardly a concern to a utilitarian, undiscerning public that finds beauty in noise and aesthetics in size.

Walk into any seforim shop before the yomim tovim and it's not too different from entering a mobile phone shop where tens of models, all essentially doing the same thing with only minor differences in size, colour and weight, compete for your attention. Except that we're not talking AMOLED screens and processor speeds, but rather fodder for slowed down brains challenged by any mental leap of its own making. Anyone with even a smattering of an education would find a reformulation of the blindingly obvious a hindrance rather than a help, but these translations are targeted at a market that has not been taught how to parse a sentence. Or rather that has been trained not to approach even the most basic texts without a guide on hand.

And when these translations and reprints have been exhausted, some wily publisher will reprint the same text yet again but this time with the addition of nekudos (vowelisation) which suggests that our difficulties are not just limited to comprehension but even our reading skills may also fall short.

But let us not pretend that it's all doom and gloom because substantial books are also being produced. If we're scanning the last near-eighty years on the Torah scene, reference must be made to the monumental Schottenstein Shas, which started originally in English, but is now possibly even more popular in its Hebrew version. Similarly, there is the Artscroll siddur translated into English which doesn't have a Hebrew “translation” counterpart. These and similarly translated works are the mainstay of an English-speaking Charedi home and shul and deserve more than a mention when considering the post-war Torah-based intellectual output.

The Artscroll publishing phenomenon which started in the 1970s coincided with the Baal Tshuve movement which also emerged around that period. The Artscroll siddur also catered for new generations of English-speaking Charedi women who had moved on from the classic Korban Mincha siddur in Yiddish. Artscroll may for these reasons initially have spent some time lurking at the entrance to the Charedi world before gaining full admission though by now they have well and truly earned their place at the top table. The Hebrew Schottenstein Shas has also more than made its mark and stands its ground despite many copycat, supposedly more ‘heimish’, translations. When the Daf Yomi cycle hits a masechte a sea of royal blue volumes floods shul shelves and tables and no summary of post-war Charedi bookishness would be complete without dedicating space to them. And whatever the criticism of Artscroll, predominantly for chasing popular approval at the expense of intellectual integrity, and not to mention the marketing and industry behind it, the fact is that they have opened up Shas to the masses in a way few other did before them. Thanks to Artscroll anyone with a basic literacy of English or Hebrew can now read and comprehend even the most intractable of Talmudic texts.

However, besides the fact that I am looking for a work by an individual, preferably with an innovative streak, and not a project by a committee, one may also legitimately question how Charedi these publications in fact are despite their infiltration into Charedi communities. While the Hebrew translations and reformulations of sidurim and machzorim are largely by Charedim for Charedim, it is questionable whether the same applies to the Artscroll project. Firstly, given the relatively limited exposure to English studies provided even by Yeshivish schools, it is unlikely the Schottenstein endeavour could have come to fruition if it was based solely on a Charedi education. This is not to say that no Charedim are of the calibre required for a project of this magnitude. However, what is considered an ideal Charedi education and what is in fact the education and tuition for the vast majority of Charedim during their formative years would not generally equip those graduates with the required skills to produce a translation on this scale. And even less so on the scholastic level required to translate from Aramaic, extinct to a large extent outside the Talmudic world, into a formal, almost-academic English which barely any Charedi school teaches at a serious level. There is also the huge – lamentably unacknowledged – debt to the very non-Charedi Talmudic philologist Marcus Jastrow without whose seminal Talmudic dictionary any English translation of the Talmud would barely have been possible.

Nevertheless, one cannot escape the fact that these projects have been co-ordinated and led by people of Charedi Yehivish background for the Charedi market and where they are lapped up despite their 73 volumes and a price tag ranging from $1,500 to almost $3,000 depending on the format. Unlike the Steinsaltz Shas which for a variety of reasons is libri non grata in most Charedi institutions or the Tanach with the Daat Mikra commentary which despite its fidelity to traditional commentary has also not properly scaled the Charedi ghetto walls, Artscroll has become a stalwart and trendsetter within the Charedi publishing world and where it remains firmly ensconced.

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Encyclopaedia Talmudit editors in 2018

Also worth more than a mention, though partially outside the nominated period, is the Encyclopaedia Talmudit in Hebrew which as its name suggests summarises Talmudic topics by subject and imposes a semblance of order to the congruent as well as discordant and discursive Talmudic texts. The encyclopaedia which started in 1942 already runs to 46 volumes but still it remains a work in progress.

While acknowledging and even celebrating the above achievements, and notwithstanding that my tweet didn’t ask for such works, the proliferation of many of these works is still informative about ourselves and further enforces my point about the intellectual output of our times, or lack of it. For while the various translations have no doubt opened the texts to the wider public they also expose a vacuum at the heart of Charedi education. For comparison, visit a local bookshop and head for the Shakespeare plays and sonnets or the classical poetry section where you are likely to find plenty of annotated works with glossaries, comments and notes, but relatively few line-by-line translations or reformulations other than those targeted at GCSE students. The average schooled reader interested in such material will by the time they have graduated from secondary school have been exposed to a challenging vocabulary and at least one or two Shakespeare plays and similar works and will not generally require translations at this level. So why does a public reared on Hebrew texts from 5 years old and on gemore from about age 9 to 19 and beyond for almost the entire study day and to the exclusion of almost all else, flock to buy such basic translations and commentaries?

If, as some claim, our education develops our critical thinking, why does a public thinking critically not reject translations which much of the time assume that there's only a single reading to complicated ancient texts? Rather than proof of intellectual vibrancy, what we have is a dumbing down of Jewish classics on a scale hitherto unknown. And when considering the industry of producing these reams of volumes and editions, it is apposite to ask whether the purpose is more of monetising the texts rather than developing the ideas behind them. This does not apply only to translations and commentary but can also be gleaned from the books that do take off. Consider as an example Otzar Pelo’ois Hatorah which is a collection of midrashim and other material with some added commentary. The well-thumbed volumes in shul suggest them to be rather popular and which was also confirmed to me by a bookselling friend. Few of the midroshim provide particular insight into the psukim and instead appear to be chosen for their ‘wow’ factor with the more fantastical the source the more suitable it makes it for inclusion. Perhaps we are to conclude that even a ‘vort’ is too much of a challenge for our times and our pious brains lap up only those works that make the fewest demands on them.

As to what the seforim scene might and could have looked like, while it’s impossible to say what a latter day Chazon Ish or Brisker Rov would have authored nowadays, though guessing on a successor to Mishne Berureh may be slightly easier, it is still instrumental to look to the past and at what was once popular to get an idea of the scarcity of our times. Take as an example Hamoadim Be'Haloche on the Yomim Tovim by Rav Shlomo Yosef Zevin (1888), which first appeared as newspaper columns in the Mizrachi Hatzofeh newspaper. Each chapter deals with another Yom Tov by summarising the sources and development of the mitzvos and minhogim for the festival plus a brief discussion of some of the main Talmudic and halachic debates pertaining to those mitzvos. Unlike many pre-Yom Tov books which nowadays hit the bookshops, this is not a guide or rule book of dos and don’ts but rather an intelligent discussion of halachic themes. The material is presented in an approachable, easy-to-read style and tailored for a broad newspaper-reading audience, medium brow if you must, though it still assumes a basic education in the classics and is of course predicated on an interest in the content.

(Rav Zevin also has a collection of biographical essays called Ishim V'Shitos, where he engages with Torah Greats of the 19th and 20th century not in a hagiographic way, as we have become accustomed to, but analytically by evaluating their written works for their style and method and peppered with anecdotes that illuminate their character.)

Now, move over to the contemporary Charedi world and there are few if any equivalent seforim. There is either what could be fairly titled elitist literature in the form of books and quarterly journals which few will scan even the opening page, or mounds of seforim on halakha and reams of legends, shallow 'vorts' and 'inspirational' message of the chicken-soup-for-the-soul variety for the masses.

Where, however, there is a huge gap is at the intermediate level, for those intelligent enough to follow but lacking the interest for in-depth disquisitions. For them a market hardly exists. Whereas in the past works like Mikro'ei Kodesh by Rav Tzvi Pesach Frank (1873) and Mo'adim Uzmanim by Rav Moshe Sternbuch (1926) were published which are expansive essay collections on Talmudic topics and which gained traction in their time, such seforim are no longer being written. In general, seforim on the market today tend to have a narrower subject range, are more utilitarian with a focus on practice rather than theory, and more diffident with a tendency to quote endlessly rather than question, innovate and express a point of view. And even if a number of such seforim by contemporary authors were to be found, the fact that they are not registering in the seforim world as they did in the past and so don’t turn into instant hits or provide any indication that they could be heading in that direction for the future, is itself indicative of the lack of appeal for such works and which must in turn reduce the incentive to write them in the first place.

One point made to me as a possible reason for this parched intellectual landscape is that I’m using the wrong measure. In essence, very many Torah scholars are immersed in their subject for the sake of study and little else. While this is by no means universal, nonetheless there are a large number of Torah students who apart from a Kollel stipend, and sometimes barely that, their only ambition is to spend time studying and amassing knowledge of the Torah. They are not studying for prizes, for grades, for publication, for tenure, for a post, for fame, for money, but simply for the sake of study. Often it is for practical reasons to better observe the mitzvos, though sometimes not even that. It may be for a portion of the World-to-Come, for personal fulfilment, for spiritual elevation and a host of other reasons but whose common denominator is that their success cannot be measured in books, articles, speeches or any other output, if it exists at all. In Talmudic parlance they are studying Torah Lishmoh, study of the Torah for the sake of it. And so, the argument goes, measuring the Torah world with a yardstick of literary output while many of its students and practitioners do not even recognise it as a scale, is to apply the wrong test and very much miss the point.

While I agree that there are indeed very many in this school, still I must disagree. For intelligence will out. Human nature is such that capable minds provided with information and reasoning will analyse, question, critique, sort, filter, taxonomise, compare, contrast, and all the other processes creative and intelligent minds will apply when encountering information and logic. And when this is done at a superior level with sufficient frequency it is inevitable that some of it will be committed to writing. So if some have decided to forego this and disapply their minds to what they are studying then we are the poorer as a result. I am not challenging their personal choice and if this is how they feel spiritual fulfilment who am I to argue? However, it is equally the freedom of an observer to draw conclusions from such choices.

Let us ask ourselves, what would have been left of our heritage had this approach been taken by the generations before us, and how bare our shelves, if not our selves, would have been as a result. Halakha aside which is required for practical purposes, whoever preserved and compiled the very large parts, if not the majority, of the gemore with its dialogue, hypothesis, refutations, arguments, homilies and agadatas, and then the commentary that fills Rashi, Tosfos and the other Rishonim followed in turn by the Achronim and which make up the entire corpus of Torah literature that has reached us, they certainly did not approach Torah in this manner. Quite besides, we pray daily to be given the heart and mind “to study and to teach” and what is writing and disseminating of ideas if not a form of teaching?

The scholars of Narbonne, Provence, Catalonia, Andalusia, Morocco, Tunisia, Aleppo, Alexandria, Alsace, Silesia, Moravia, Bohemia, Wallachia Volhynia and any number of other places that Jews settled in during centuries of sojourns and where they set up schools for the study of Torah, these scholars could just as well been studying for study’s sake and fulfilling God’s wish while singing Mo Ohavti and Tov Li but they would have left us vacant minds, some cutesy legends and little else. Because by now the Torah would either have been forgotten altogether or it would have become fossilised like a glorious Rosetta Stone of immense interest to decrypters and decipherers, history students and museum visitors but with little practical application.

Some might argue that if the ultimate goal is to delve into God’s laws and teachings then He is just as happy with students simply toiling away at the Torah with no ambition in mind, though they are unlikely to be of an intelligent bent. Because intelligence demands to understand, review, critique and ultimately better what went before and most of the time that requires expression in some form which generally is in writing. There is no reason or evidence to suggest that our generation is any less intelligent than our predecessors and the wider world with its technological and scientific marvels would suggest to the contrary, that we are applying knowledge far more intelligently than our forebears and that we are constantly building on their achievements. So why only in the field of Torah does it feel as if matters have come to a halt?

Which returns me to my first question: where are the achievements of our age and era in the Torah world? Why with all our tremendous energy and industry do we appear to come up short precisely in the area that we claim matters to us most?

The comment, however, that most stuck in my mind was of Yeridas Hadoros, the decline of generations, or diminution of minds. This was offered as an explanation why our generation has not, and perforce never will, match and let alone surpass, the output of our forebears. This supposed explanation, instead of challenging my central premise or offering a solution, essentially agrees with my thesis that our output is sorely lacking in cerebral quality but implies that this is not so much a bug as a feature. According to this explanation, we cannot and should not complain about our dire output because living in 2022 or 5783 is as much the cause as the symptom and given where we are in time we will inevitable fall behind those in 1922 just as they must have been behind those of 1822 and so on until time immemorial.

Yeridas Hadoros, the decline or diminution of generations, is a doctrine which alongside Daas Torah form the twin pillars of Charedi thought. Applied literally, which is indeed how it is applied, it means an ongoing intellectual and spiritual decline as we move further away from Kabolas Hatorah and the revelation at Sinai. Never mind that the central premise that the closer an individual is to an event geographically and chronologically necessarily makes them greater is itself open to question. And ignore also the fact that the very generation that stood at Sinai went on to worship the Golden Calf only a short while later. This is, however, what the doctrine of Yeridas Hadoros is taken to mean.

There's even an apocryphal story to go with it in which a rosh yeshiva meets a non-Jew on a plane - always on a plane because where else do they come into contact with a gentile? - and the non-Jew asks why our society reveres age while the general culture adulates youth. According to the story, the rosh yeshiva replied that if you originate from primates (or 'monkeys' in the classic telling) then you must be improving as you move further away from your earliest ancestors, whereas if you originate from the Patriarchs and the generation that stood at Sinai then you're in perpetual decline as you move further away from those epic events.

The story is usually told as much to marvel at the spontaneous wit emanating from the rosh yeshiva as for the message itself. There is also no acknowledgement that the anecdote has an antecedent in the Oxford Great Debate in 1860 between the biologist Thomas Huxley and the Bishop of Oxford and so misses out on Huxley’s famous repartee.

But returning to Yeridas Hadoros, while we can discuss the concept of perpetual decline in a spiritual or revelatory sphere or as a theological explanation why the Biblical nation-founding miracles and revelations no longer occur nowadays, transposing this concept to our practical contemporary life has just one effect and which we see occurring in front of our eyes.

If entire generations are brought up on the basis that not only did our ancestors inhabit mountains that they will never scale, but that the very ground they stand on is also in perpetual erosion and decline, then inevitably those occupying that ground will stop climbing. There's no point aspiring to greatness of yore if our destiny is diminution simply by dint of our age and era. And so by indoctrinating our children not with their potential but with their handicap inherent to the times they were born into, one cannot blame those children when they're more eager to regurgitate mediocrity of the past than innovate for the present and future.

Worse still, the same tweeter also mentioned Einstein and Beethoven as apparent proof of Yeridas Hadoros, which is what happens when you try and project your worldview onto a broader canvas. So let us be clear. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs and Alan Turing and Patrick Steptoe and Stephen Hawking and Tim Berners-Lee and any number of brilliant artists and writers and scientists and innovators of our near-contemporary times have given us the world we inhabit from IVF to DNA to html to organ transplants and all the other scientific and technological marvels of our age. Each and every discovery starts and finishes with a curious and innovative mind that knows and believes that it can build on what's gone before and do better. Only in our rarefied field of Torah have we called a halt to innovation and even proper analysis has become a dirty word.

But even that’s an illusion. For if Yeridas Hadoros were true then the combined greatness of Rav Hai, Saadiah, Chisdai and other Geonim (approximately 5th to 10th century) would have to surpass the genius of their successors like Rashi, Ibn Ezra, Rambam and the other Greats of the 11th and 12th century. Although I don’t pretend to be an expert on the Geonim, I think I can safely say that the output of the former is no match quantitatively and qualitatively for that of the latter.

The flipside of Yeridas Hadoros does not just stifle ambition and pummel confidence but it also works against those courageous enough to buck the trend. Where hermeneutics becomes synonymous with heresy those who do question and think independently will be shouted down and worse, often by those of a similar bent but who have stifled their own creativity and imagination. With the end result that the readership for original thinking and writing diminishes and instead the market gives way to minds numbed by piles of fairy tales littering shul Shabbos tables and mollycoddling vorts which require no enquiring spirit and inquisitive mind.

Genuine reviews of Charedi books are for this same reason a rarity, for if the book is on-track then how dare anyone cast a critical eye over it? And if it’s out of kilter then far from engaging with it by way of a review, it must not be mentioned at all other than for banning purposes. So why would any scholar invite this horror upon themselves when a collection of the laws of fridge bulbs will heap encomia and hagiographic articles on their heads? From the lambasted first edition of the Shemiras Shabbos Kehilchoso in the 1960s to the current ongoing controversy over Pshuto Shel Mikro, only the brave and the mad will try to stand out and ultimately for diminishing returns.

No man is an island and nothing exists in a vacuum. With the parched mindscape we occupy where questions are heresy and enquiry are silenced, you cannot blame our youth for looking elsewhere, be it grave worship at the more benign edge of the scale and conspiracies and political extremism at the far more dangerous end. Or they leave the fold altogether. Because without a homegrown intellectual base of enquiry and disputation, then all that's left is a shell and façade which must be protected at all cost because that is all there is. Hence abuse, fraud, educational neglect and many other of our society's ills must go unaddressed and unanswered because conformity and blind obedience is the ideal. And if decline is our destiny then perhaps the state we're in is just another symptom to be expected and accepted. Anything better and we might outshine our ancestors which we're told is not just undesirable but impossible due to the simple fact that they preceded us and we succeeded them.

But our collective minds are not asleep or dozing and if we won't provide our brains with homegrown fodder and the confidence to develop our own ideas, those skills will be acquired and expended elsewhere. I promised myself that I would steer clear of politics but if proof was ever needed where this is all heading see the political parties we now support with all the vigour once reserved for ourselves and within.

You may think that I am exaggerating and so I return to my very first thought exercise: Name a contemporary classic work in the field of Torah, already so designated or with reasonable expectations to be so designated in the future, written by an individual born during the last seventy-seven years of phenomenal Torah-growth possibly unrivalled and unprecedented throughout the entire Jewish history.

That stumped feeling is my Exhibit 'A'.

*I would like to thank those who afforded me the time to read drafts of this essay and provide helpful corrections and comments.

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  1. Talking of Artscroll, after 45 years,when my literary skills increased, I returned to the incomprehensible Routledge of my youth, when my feet didn't touch the floor of the shul when seated. And I realised that effort had been made to make the English translation of the piyutim rhyme. Try that Artscroll machzor with your strange italiced English type and your kiddy commentary.

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    1. Agreed. And the translation of Omnam Ken in the Kol Nidre machzor is pure genius as not only is it poetic but also an alphabetic acrostic like the original.

      But then look also at the Rabbi Sacks translation of the Siddur compared to the Art Scroll siddur. It may not be poetic but does reflect English accuracy. And Rabbi Sacks is commentary is intellectually honest, unlike some of the Art Scroll comments. As an example, consider the Art Scroll - repeating the story about Rabbi Amnon of Mainz for Unetanah Tokef when modern scholarship has shown that this is much older as it was found in the Cairo Genizah. The Routledge was published before this was known. Art Scroll wasn't - yet it keeps the old stories that were shown to be false.

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    2. Your comment has been shown to be false. Unesaneh Tokef was not found in the Cairo Genizah. A theory claims that the piyut on which it seems to have been based was found there. That is a weak claim, and when the source is the Ohr Zarua, Artscroll did nothing wrong by repeating it.

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    3. Ohr Zarua is the original source for the legend of Rabbi Amnon of Mainz. The problem is that nothing else is known about this Rabbi Amnon - even the name of the Governor (as based on Ohr Zarua - later it was an Archbishop). That alone doesn't mean it's untrue - but the legend was that it was not even told by witnesses but was revealed to Kalonymus ben Meshualem in a dream and then was circulated - the Ohr Zarua story is at least 4th hand. There was never any corroboration. Stylistically it would not have been composed by R Kalonymus so the piyut was not from him - yet it is odd that there is no mention elsewhere of Rabbi Amnon.

      In contrast, the emphasis of the prayer's conclusion about Teshuvah, Tefilah and Tzedakah comes from Bereishit Rabbah - composed in Israel and is not in the Talmud Babli. Stylistically, the prayer indicates its composition in Israel prior to around 650. It may have been known to a few - and only circulated by R Kalonymus who needed a reason for it to be adopted and so related that it came in a dream from a martyr not known elsewhere (but may have existed).

      In fact the Cairo Genizah idea has not been found to be false - and there's evidence that the prayer was said in Italy before in the Ashkenazi world. Even Ohr Zaruah relates the story as hearsay "I found a handwritten letter from Rav Ephraim Mi’Bonn, son of Yaakov, in which he relates that Rav Amnon from Mayence composed the Piyut: V’Nisaneh Tokef in connection with a heartbreaking incident that occurred to Rav Amnon...." (Hence it's a 4th hand source or more. Prayer composed apparently be R Amnon. Dreamed by R Kalonymus. Letter from R Ephraim - without giving his source. Then R Yitzhak (Ohr Zarua)).

      Integrity means NOT repeating a story where there is a question about authenticity without highlighting that question. If the story is false and Unetanah Tokef WAS written by Yannai (or somebody else) centuries earlier then denying his authorship / not even mentioning it is fundamentally dishonest - especially as this is a tefilah said on R"H / Yom Kippur. No problems mentioning the legend - as long as you also say that it is questioned and why which is what Rabbi Sacks does.

      In fact there are articles that show why the legend may have circulated e.g. https://www.beureihatefila.com/files/2012-08-17_Tefila_Newsletter-1.pdf and the original sources are given at https://www.beureihatefila.com/files/2012-08-03_Tefila_Newsletter.pdf with an account of how the prayer circulated and became known.

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  2. The Modox have that problem, as Rabbi JB left very little in writing. And the yeshivish way, when faced with an incomprehensible custom when considered in light of halachik texts (for example kiddush on little shots of whiskey, zemanim, rebbes not bothering with minyan and thousands of other things) is to retort 'but I heard from Rabbi X ....". Ultimately, we are not the people of the book either when convenient. Unsourced, unproven, out of context, word of mouth stories about what some rabbi did many years ago takes priority.

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    1. There is plenty coming from the Modox world that is original IMHO. Rabbi Steinsalts for everything, Rabbis Sacks, Lichtenstein, Shagar for serious philosophy; Rabbis JD Bleich, Brodt, Rimon and Melamed for Halacha, for parshanut too many - Drs Erica Brown, Zornberg, and tons from Koren, and that's just the bookshelf immediately in front of me.

      Also in terms of Rabbi Soloveitchik, there are plenty of actual, real critiques that are not just summaries or rehashes. See eg Rabbi Ziegler, Prof Rynhold, again for those in front of me.

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    2. TRST - you are confusing Chassidim with Yeshivish. Kiddush on a little shot of whiskey is not Yeshivish at all. Rebbes not keeping Halacha is not our problem.

      Stories of yore is the hassidic way, not that of people who learn Torah.

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    3. Anonymous - its very much the way of people who learn torah/yeshivish. Do you know how many conversations end 'Yes, by I heard from Rav Wolbe/Rav Moshe Shapiro/Rav Avrohom/Rav Matisyohu/ etc etc etc. It's a conversation stopper, because you can't respond. Who knows whether Rabbi X ever said that, what context/how accurate etc etc

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    4. Anonymous - yes, I was speaking only about Rabbi JB.

      But the key difference is that those Modox books you refer to CANNOT be understood by the typical Modox working layman or high school student. They don't use words of less than ten letters. They are philosophical works. And there are no Modox children's books.

      The charedi world churns out books that can be understood all by levels and intelligences and ages. Therein lies the difference.

      As for Rabbi Sacks, he quotes non Jewish to Jewish sources at a ratio of about 5:1. He is big into universalism, all religions and philosphies have something to teach, and his main 'mehalech' is to minimise to the extent he can get away with the uniquness of Judaism to Jews. Make of it what you wish.

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    5. JB left us with the Lonely Man and Halakhic Man to name just two of his notable works. The latter in particular is a first class philosophical exposition of pre-war elite litvishism though hardly for the masses. הררי קדם is also well known in scholarly circles even in the Charedi world.

      Sacks was writing for the masses and is brilliant at communicating his insights in lucid prose. I don’t think it is fair to disparage his works by comparing them to JB’s output.

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    6. Moish, Hararei Kedem was NOT written by him. As I wrote, he left very little in his own hand. Which is why there is so much debate over what he held. Compare that the numerous books penned in Reb Shimshon Refoel Hirch own hand.

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    7. Anon 9:24 - you are obviously hanging around the lowest echelons of the society.

      Nobody can quote Reb Matisyahu as a conversation stopper amongst actual Lomdim. Your Mussar personalities are good for speeches to ladies about self-esteem.

      And wrt Halacha, there is no conversation stopper in Yeshivishe circles. Reb Moshe's name carries weight, but the conversation continues long afterwards.

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    8. Anonymous, yes, I was giving examples, maybe I used the wrong names. But I have had plenty of halachic discussions about certain things that ended with Rabbi XYZ did so, or Dayan ABC did so, or said this, or whatever. The fundementals of current charedi practice, not teaching children a trade or any way of earning parnossoh etc etc contrary to everything in print,is justified along the classic, but Rabbi X did so/said.

      You know that.

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    9. Wow! You have moved the goalposts to the other side Anon 22:07.
      The Halachic discussions about any Sugya in Hilchos Shabbos do not end with this guy or another guy's name.
      You are talking about public policy, and you wonder why public figures are the ones that set public policy. Wow!

      I guess, in a world where every shmendrik thinks he can set public health policy, every shmendrik does set public Chinuch policy. But that has nothing to do with the matter at hand. Halachic decisions, innovations, and discussions, are still taking place, with no appeal to authority. But decisions regarding the public cannot be left in the hands of every individual. The word for that is 'anarchy'.

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    10. Halochoh is anarchy today. That is a good way of describing it Cherry picking of sources to support a pesak, never mentioning alternatives. Any practice can be justified, even hand wrestling with a towel or lighting menorah at 4am. Chukei Chaim with its Friday night early mish mash cholunt of halochoh, minhag and numerous poskim. That is not halochoh
      A true posek of yesterday had a balance of chumrah and kullah over all his pesokim. Don't find that today.

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    11. Anarchy does not mean what you say it does.
      I agree with the problems you mention, but they are Chassidic, not Yeshivish. And they existed before the Holocaust too.

      Nothing to do with 'balance of chumra and kula'. It is fealty to the sources and their in-depth understanding.

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  3. See הרחב דבר on דברים א:ג where he explains the משל of תורה and a tree. על פי דבריו the trunk was משה ויהושע and we are the leaves. It's true that we are not producing seforim of world renown like the previous generations, but go to your average yungerman and ask to see his own chiddushim. He has no interest in publishing them as no-one has an interest in reading them but he's being מחדש. There is a lot of לקוטי בתר לקוטי but there is also a tremendous amount of genuine chiddushim. This reasoning doesn't give that name you were looking for but perhaps gives the beggining of an understanding of why not.

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    1. If nobody publishes anything, how the heck do you know that there is also a tremendous amount of genuine chiddushim? Because the kollel beis hamedrash is full of scruffily dressed yeshivish looking, overgrown kids, shouting at each other? Seeing how quick each can respond to his chavrusoh? The best chilukim shel hevel?

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    2. And another thing. Very few kollelim have a proper assesment system. Nobody really knows how well anybody can learn. Yes, the odd illui is known as are the chaps that are wasting their lives in kollel, usually there because of money. But in-between, nobody has a clue. It's easy to move on to the next Shach/taz leaving the current one a little vague. So much is left unclear. Some is a memory and name dropping game, but again look up the sources quoted by heart, and if they exist they often say something very different.

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    3. @Anonymous perhaps ask someone you know who learns in kollel what he has written up (for himself as stated earlier). If not him then it's his chavrusa or the yungerman who sits behind him. Maybe come and sit in our kollel for a few days and we'll discuss it after.
      @Trst for the money??! Really? That's an old and worn our argument. Regarding your other taane, I can speak for the city I live in (not Gateshead). Out of the couple of hundred of yungerleit, I cannot think of anyone who is sitting in kollel by default. Maybe I can't remember every single one and there will be one or two, out of a couple of hundred.

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    4. Forget Gateshead. Try Israel. Or NW London, where it is not uncommon now to see (my wife tells me) a 'kollel guy' walking with his wife, who is hardly following Rabbi Falk. They have no problem with long glamarous lace sheitels, for example. 'Modernish Kollel' they now call it. Even the pavement of Rechov Rabbi Akiva in Bnei Brak sees skirts as short as they can get away with (my wife tells me).

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    5. Anonymous, I learnt in Kollel for 15 years. I know exactly what goes on. I'm not some ba'al habos who is easy to pull the wool over his eyes.

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    6. So this is 'bash on Kollel guys' day, even when nobody knows if the Rechov Rabbi Akiva walkers are actually Kollel guys.

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  4. Too much for one comment28 December, 2022 00:07

    I can't go through everything here, but you do of course realize that the triumphalism of the Charedi newspapers by no means reflects fact.
    We were absolutely decimated by the Holocaust, and we are not even close to where we were when the Chafetz Chaim was being produced. A world in which intellect was respected, a world in which the boredom of poverty sent anyone with a brain cell to his Gemara (unlike nowadays, where poverty means less leisure time, in those days, a poor person had little occupation). An entire culture was killed out, we have not replaced it yet. We have a few centuries of work left before we get there.

    The comparison between Gates and Beethoven misses the point. As soon as people can collaborate better, innovation becomes exponentially easier. Gates' genius doesn't even see the horizon of Beethoven's. Beethoven did it alone, Gates 'did not build that', to paraphrase the last President of the US to actually possess and use a functional brain.

    The Modox suffer from the soft racism of low expectations. Sacks was less than a mediocre theologian. We just expect so little from him, that his pulpit pap was considered 'intellectual'.

    The reason אוצר פלאות התורה is so popular is precisely the 'wow' factor. During קריאת התורה, it is a useful tome. It quotes interesting tidbits. IMHO, מגדים חדשים does a better job, but it's marketing budget was lower.

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    1. Much of Otzer Pelaos Hatorah is vodoo judaism. It makes a mockery of everything Judaism stands for with witchcraft, magic and wierd fables and tales. Something for Halloween.

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  5. A really interesting article - for multiple reasons.
    1) There are works published well after 1945 that are accepted and viewed as definitive - even if the author was born prior to 1945. Igros Moshe is one example. So essentially the criteria is different and the time period different. Essentially the author needed to have been born after 1945 - and so in reality you are saying there has been nothing published post 1985 (i.e. 40 years after) and hence we are looking at a 40 year period and not an 80 year period.
    2) Authors such as Rabbi Steinsalz were discounted. His works aren't just the Steinsalz Shas - he also wrote on other topics too. His works bridge the Chareidi Lite world and Modern Orthodoxy - and will be seen in some Yeshivot / Chareidi Batei Midrash although clearly not all.
    3) There has been a flourishing of works by Modern Orthodox thinkers - Rabbi Sacks is a leading example but also Rav Lichtenstein, Rav Soleveitchik and Rav Ovadia Yosef. Apart from Rabbi Sacks all were born before 1945 - so perhaps should be discounted even though their works were post-1945. For example Rav Yosef's Yabia Omer is viewed as important in the world of Halacha. There's also Rav Eliezer Melamed - and his work Peninei Halakha.

    I think point 3 is the most important. There IS a flourishing of works on a range of topics - not just Halacha, but Musar and more. But it's not from the traditional Charedi community and that suggests that you are correct that something is missing from that community that has prevented the flowering of creative ideas.

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    1. If course. We are too fearful to innovate. Because if its a kulah (used losely) it's an instant ban, if its a chumrah, what"s the chiddush? There is no market for books finding new chumros.

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  6. Great blog! The answer to this is of course the lack of rigour and exposure to an all round education which includes critical thinking skills which is so lacking in the chareidi world. Key question that comes to mind is what education did the pre1945 generation receive which empowered gedolim etc to produce works of the depth and complexity you refer to? Did the Rambam go to medical school?? Ultimately looking at the chareidi world little has been done to develop aspirations for their children to produce and become innovative (everything new is frowned upon) they don’t have a rigorous curriculum and method of assessment to encourage children to develop their talent and knowledge even within their learning of Torah/Talmud. Do the chadorim and yeshivos develop a sequenced curriculum for teaching Chumash/mishna/gemoro - including methods of assessments with clear outcomes for each key stage?? On top of that they don’t teach real literacy skills - Chareidi children cannot write or express themselves well in ANY language! Children are not taught critical thinking skills or to use their minds intellectually and aspire to produce writing that shows new and innovative ways of thinking. In fact chareidi children (boys in particular) actually are as educationally disadvantaged as children in third world countries. They are mostly encouraged to learn how to swindle the benefit system and then struggle to make money through small businesses and those who stay in kollel are leading mind numbingly boring lives and riding on status and power. In conclusion, you ask a very potent question- and the simple answer is that the chareidi world has not encouraged or given their youngsters any tools or skills to promote innovation or aspiration to produce works of note - it would strip the leaders of their power if they empowered the younger generation to do so and so you reap what you sow - a whole generation of ignorant and illiterate young men who have been stifled from day one - a bleak future indeed… unless of course something changes….

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    1. Do you have any knowledge about pre-war charedi education both at the cheder and yeshiva level - was there more rigour as such or was its prodigious Torah output simply a function of only very talented minds proceeding to higher levels of Torah study (especially in the elite Lithuanian yeshivos) in contrast to today where kollel is just the final stage of your average charedi education. E.g. what was it about pre-war Volozhin yeshiva that led it to produce figures as varied as R. Boruch Ber to Rav Kook to Bialik?

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    2. All scholarship is necessarily elitist or otherwise it is not scholarly. To dismiss the reams of chiddushim which engage critically with the pre war Brisker, Rogatchover, and Wasserman era - for example the work of the present Gateshead Rosh Hayeshiva - because there is necessarily no commercial market for such abstruse scholarship is profoundly unreasonable.

      Many people have a copy of shev shmaytsa on their bookshelves. It's a classic with celebrity value. Few made it past the two paths. That neither detracts from nor adds to the intrinsic scholarship.

      What has changed is the multiplicity of Yeshivish Yeshivas. These days there is no 'mother of the yeshivas' as there was in Volozhin, and so there can be no Reb Chaim Brisk, even though he did nothing which did not already have a precedent apart from applying levels of analysis traditionally reserved for the text of the gemora to the Yad Hachazoka of the Rambam.

      I should add that obviously before the shulchan aruch and later nosei keilim were canonised there was a considerable room for debate as to what the Halacha should be, which made for a more pertinent and n therefore important discussion then when an accepted consensus has emerged. That still applies to technologies opened up in recent decades. I will say that the most important works on medical ethics, spaceflight, DNA as evidence, and artificially genetically modified or created meat has been written in the past 40 years.

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    3. Notwithstanding that scholarship is and always has been elitist, works such as קובץ שיעורים, שערי יושר, and ברכת שמואל are still familiar (even if by name only) to anyone who has spent some time in a yeshiva. I cannot think of any Sefer on Gemara/lomdus published by someone still alive which has this type of name recognition or is even heading in this direction.

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  7. Too long for one comment28 December, 2022 19:49

    Let us take electricity as an example.
    An innovation took over the world, and changed virtually everything. Overnight, Halacha needed to adapt, with countless new Shaalos. Automation changes everything, from Hilchos Shabbos to Hilchos Aveida uMetzia. Nidah, Kashrus, Aveilus and more. Incandescent lights were invented in the 1880s, yet it took years for Torah to be printed about it. RSZA published his Sefer in 1935 and the CI's Sefer was not yet popular.

    Nowadays, we have one major innovation that the previous generations did not have, and that is Internet. (DNA is another, but history has not decided the Halacha about that yet. The minimal output on that has not been decided yet) Yes, nothing has been published regarding the Internet, besides the screeds and nonsense about 'tzubrechn toizenter shtibber'. It will take time, like it took for electricity. But we are still on track, the same track as for previous innovations.

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    1. That's exactly the point. Back then, torah learning was much harder with far fewer involved. With the explosion in torah learners, you shouldn't need to wait the equivalent of time from 1880 to 1935 to read pesokim on modern technology. But his point is davka that the explosion in torah learners has NOT brought any sort of accceleration, and the question is why! Clearly something is lacking in today's torah or today's learners.

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    2. Too much for one comment28 December, 2022 22:36

      You are absolutely wrong. There is not more Torah being learned nowadays than in years back. Your history is totally skewed. There are less Torah learners, even less serious Torah learners, and even less advanced serious Torah learners than any time in history that we know.
      Organized learning is up, so we have more data nowadays, but that has nothing to do with actual learning.

      Today's Yungeleit are growing up in a rebuilding world, not a world that respects their learning. They don't have the background or surroundings of real learning, as they would have had in say 1907 Eisheshok. You can't walk into the home of any old-time Rav nowadays, say aged 75, and speak to him be'iyun about most parts of Shas. The posek you ask rarely actually knows the Sugyos he is paskening about. Because we are all Baalei Teshuva in a sense, we have not rebuilt the world that was, yet.
      But even by their standards, standards of people with an unbroken chain of scholarship, we are not behind at all.
      There is plenty more to write about this subject, but the skewed history has permeated so much of our culture, it's like tilting at windmills trying to set it straight.

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    3. Really?? What data do you rely on?

      In pre-war Europe, advanced Torah study was the pursuit of a tiny elite, not even אלף נכנס and certainly only אחד יוצא. By contrast, in today’s charedi world it is אלף נכנס and almost אלף יוצא with charedi education teaching an ideal of everyone spending their entire life in full time Torah study and yet where is the output of this explosion in Torah study?

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    4. Too much for one comment29 December, 2022 02:44

      There is no 'official' data as to how many such people there were. But each and every town and village had a Rav and Dayan, numbering in the thousands. The standards of being accepted as a Rav were solely in scholarship, not speaking ability or bedside manner.

      Sadly, that world was decimated, and only the Charedim are trying to recreate it. They are a tiny minority, when in pre-war Europe, meaning pre World War I, they were the majority.

      Anyone who reads the literature of the time, like memoirs and Teshuva Seforim, will be introduced to a world in which Torah knowledge was prized, and people invested hard work into knowing Torah, even if they weren't attending the Yeshivos that provided the data for Stampfer.

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    5. Too much, clearly you have been drinking too much revisionist history. Some villages did, most did not. Some towns did, some did not. Just like today. Next you will be telling me that nearly every shul had three kollellim in, back then, not the one you find today.

      And this rebuilding stuff has reached the end of its shelf-life. It's been long enough, there are enough seforim printed, thousands upon thousands more ' in learning ' then ever before. Thousands upon thousands of seforim in clear modern type. Have you seen the seforim of yesteryear?

      "You can't walk into the home of any old-time Rav nowadays, say aged 75, and speak to him be'iyun about most parts of Shas. The posek you ask rarely actually knows the Sugyos he is paskening about"

      To the extent that is true, that is gufah the problem.

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    6. Too much for one comment29 December, 2022 13:01

      The revisionist history is not mine, it was written in real time through the many Teshuvos, stories, and memoirs of the time.
      Of course there was terrible attrition at the time. But we are talking about those who stayed behind, those who kept up the old ways. The level of scholarship that was demanded of them was much more than that of today's Rabbonim. Not everyone was a genius, but the levels were much higher than nowadays.

      Your next paragraph is really mind-boggling. Clear modern type is all that is needed to make Talmidei Chachamim?! What are you smoking?

      That is gufah the problem. Yes. But that is the reason why scholarship has still not caught up with the buildings and stadium functions that we love to display. We have not recreated the pre-war Torah culture, we are far from it, and we need many many more years for that.

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    7. The culture prewar was not torah. It was hard work and slog, ekeing out pennies. In the villages there was nothing and in the big towns you had rabbonim. In the villages girls rarely learnt to read Hebrew.

      There was no 'torah culture'. A typical kollel man would have trouble with their shechitah and he would certainly not wear their teffilin. He would declare their esrogim maybe just about kosher lebrochoh and if he referred to a 'brisker lulav' he would be treated as mad. He would take one look at the typical mikvah and declare the daughters 'sofek bnos niddah'.And the Warsaw Eruv, best not mention it.

      'Torah culture' my foot. You really have drunk too much Artscroll.

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    8. Your picture of the poverty of the shtetl is colored by your picture of African villages. There is no comparison between the two. Poverty in the shtetl meant grinding boredom. There was no work to be had, and the work that they did do, paid pennies.
      When that happened, people find things to occupy their time. And that is how a class of Lomdim was formed. People who had little money, yet spent their time learning. The levels of learning were high, because there were no crutches available.
      When secular education became available and the dam broke, droves of people left and became the avant garde of culture and kishron. Precisely due to the poverty and boredom. But those who stayed behind, kept up a tradition of high-level schoalrship.
      Wealthier countries did not have this opportunity, and scholarship levels were lower.

      Your conflation between 'Torah culture' and Halachic chumros is understandable, if inexcusable. But it is of course totally wrong. FYI, references to a 'Brisker Lulav' are usually made by Baaei Teshuva. There is no such thing as a 'Brisker Lulav', but there is such a thing as 'Brisker blintzes'.

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    9. No work to be done? Boredom?

      Roofs needed fixing. Sheds needed patching. Firewood needed chopping. Chickens needed feeding. Parnossoh needed to be found. Boots needed mending. Cows and chickens are endless hassle. Poritzes needed bribing. The ba'al shem tovs flying charriot needing oiling. Clothes needed sewing.

      If there was as much torah learning as in your fantisies, you wouldn't have had a 90% drop out rate.

      But I don't want to spoil your dreams. They all sat learning torah by candlelight late into the night. Eating chulent and kigel leil shishi.

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    10. The truth is, your personal attacks don't deserve answers. But there are others who read these and may be fooled.

      When I read memoirs from over 100 years ago, I am always struck by the pointlessness of life, as it seemed to those who did not stay frum. Those who left saw life as boring, dead-ended and restricted. Even those who stayed frum and Bnei Torah write that without learning, there was nothing to aim for, no achievable goals or ideals.
      Parnassa was just hardly found. There was little to do, because it does not take twelve months for a person to repair his roof, and the neighbor was just as bored. Yaakov Lipschitz writes that he wore clothing that was over 100 years old, because poverty caused people to make clothing that lasted many years. People hardly needed clothing, boots or bribes. And there was nothing with which to bribe the Poretz.
      For a start, read the memoirs of Yechezkel Kotik, I think they have been translated into English.

      Of course, as soon as opportunity arrived, in America, South Africa or elsewhere, people went running. Boredom disappeared and people found alternatives for learning Torah. But those that remained behind stuck to the old ways. And we are discussing those people and their Torah output. People who didn't have chulent or Kugel during the week, and often not much on Shabbos either. We have not recreated their culture yet, we have many years until we reach that.

      Any contemporary discussion of culture in the shtetl will tell you this. Only revisionist historians try and change this picture.

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    11. I have read the memoirs. They say nothing about a 'torah culture'. Quite the opposite. There were a relatively small number of learners and the rest did what they did. Not too dissimilar from today really. They were more superstitious that's for sure. You don't find kemios around nowadays. The closest is kupat ha"rs inventions. But my point remains - you claim a 'torah culture' but a kollel person from today would avoid their shechitah and teffilin like the plague, 'torah culture' notwithstanding. . You can find pictures of the teffilin they wore.

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    12. Why do you think repeating your confusion between 'Torah culture' and 'chumra culture' makes it make any more sense?

      I quoted two memoirs - Kotik and Lipschitz. Have you read either of them?

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    13. Forget it. If you believe your Artscroll history, nothing I can do.

      At the end of the day the kollel/yeshivish/chareidi society, despite their claims of being above gashmious, holier than holier, pious upon pious, totally disinterested in olam hazeh, only interestet in torah torah torah, are OBSESSED with money and gevirim no less (and in some cases more) than any other group. Because in that world there are only two things to excel in, torah or richness. There is nothing else. Sonebody with neither, however fine and ba'al midod he is, is in the 'lower' echelons of the pecking order. In the outside world there are numerous other talents to excel in.

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    14. And of course it goes without saying that somebody with money has other issues overlooked. A local chareidi mossad around here (can't give too many details) happily gave immense kovod to a g'vir whose wife doesn't cover her hair properly. If he was not rich he would very much churz l'machsheh. The hypocrisy is astounding.

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    15. I mentioned Kotik and Lipschitz, neither of them being Artscroll books.

      Yes, a Mosad may thank a rich person for his donation. Nay, they owe him thanks for his donation. Even if his lifestyle is not perfect. Calling that hypocrisy is childish kano'us, becoming for stone throwers of Meah She'arim. It is not easy for a person to part with his money for another, and someone who does deserves respect, even if he has not yet changed the rest of his lifestyle for the better.

      Your conflation between kollel/yeshivish/chareidi society is another misunderstanding of the life of a Kollel Yungerman. The Kollel yungerman pities the rich man, the newspaper editor fawns over him. Just because both wear black hats doesn't mean they have the same value system.

      But you are from England, no? In England, having a nice voice is also a major plus. Even if you know how to learn, if you don't have a nice voice, your life is pretty much worthless.

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    16. The kollel yungerman fawns over the rich man just as much as the newspaper editor. All the bitochon etc doesn't count for much when swarmying up to them for the last kopeck. Full page adds for the birth of great grandchild praising the guy to the skies even though he barely gets to a shiur . Ah but hishtadlus they will cry. But when the working man cries hishtadlus too, that's second rate and he's a second-rate citizen in the pecking order.

      Again, I learnt in kollel for fifteen years. I know what goes on. I'm not one of those ba'alei battim who can have the wool pulled over his eyes by a bit of name-dropping.

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    17. Neither Kotik and Lipshutz discuss a 'torah cuture'. Every village may have had a few learned people. That was it. No kollelim, no Borsalinos, no employment income up to the threshold for claiming benefits, a fraction of the seforim we have a available today, no electricity, very few rich families/father in laws, and thousands leaving yiddishkeit in droves. Torah culture my foot.

      It was hard slog, and most didn't progress past chumash rashi, if that. If you want to believe otherwise, I can't stop you.

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    18. More lies and half-truths. A full-page ad is a thanks to the person who gave money, written by the fundraiser of the Kollel, not the yungeleit. Again, what is wrong with that? Do they not deserve thanks? The yungerman with the crumpled suit and holes on the elbow of his sweater has no respect for the person whose life is money, parties, meat boards and cars. Thanks is not respect.

      And again, I ask you, did you read Kotik or Lipschitz? Or are you making things up? Ein Gott veist where Borsalinos come in here. If every village had a few learned people, that adds up to tens of thousands.

      You are the one with the blind beliefs. I actually have the source materials to support me. Kotik and Lipschitz are just the beginning, there are plenty more. But your steadfast refusal to actually read the source material is quite telling.

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  8. Another point.
    Go to a kollel that's learning kollel mesechtas. Ask them if they've heard of ר' איתמר גרבוז. The answer will be yes. The simple reason is that he's got seforim on חולין, שבת and מקוואות. Really good ones. I doubt anyone here has heard of the seforim even if they knew of him.
    Anyone heard of סדר יעקב? Or מנחת אריאל? Anyone who's learnt ע"ז or שבת on more that דף יומי level will know.
    Most people's knowledge of lomdishe seforim at least is limited to what they remember from yeshiva.
    And as an aside how about ketzos of דזימיטרובסקי?

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  9. Really good point about the lack of (good quality critical) reviews of Jewish books.

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  10. Too much for one comment29 December, 2022 00:40

    One argument advanced in the replies was that it's too early to judge.
    Reply: Mishna Berura and Chazon Ish were instant successes, and even Shemiras Shabbos Kehilchaso was a classic quite quickly.

    Mishna Berura was the first of a genre, a desperately needed one. A collection of Pesakim post Be’er Heitev, with a final decision between the Shitos based on a deep knowledge of the background and Sevaros of the Halacha was something that the generation needed. The true gadlus of the Mishna Berura has not yet been publicized, his wonderful dikduk as he quotes the Poskim, his hidden chidushim in the Sha’ar Hatziyun, and pilpul around his pilpulim in the Bi’ur Halacha, are all largely untapped territory.
    Chazon Ish was not much of a success in his lifetime. Only when he became famous were his Seforim publicized.
    Shemiras Shabbos Kehilchaso filled a necessary hole. It is the first Sefer written by a Talmid Chacham, with Pesakim from a Posek Hador, that addresses the modern world. Additionally, it is unfair to use his date of birth as a yardstick, when his learning was done in the modern world of Eretz Yisroel, even if he was older than your cutoff date. He is a product of the modern world, not the old one.

    These Sefarim filled a need, that is why they did not require time for them to become accepted.

    The חדושי רבינו חיים הלוי, as well as the נודע ביהודה, did not fill a need. It took time for them to be canonized, and that will happen nowadays too. I don’t know if it will be חלקת בנימין or חבצלת השרון, אוצר הלכות or חיי הלוי. Perhaps it will be a Sefer of a relatively unknown Yungerman, who worked hard on certain Sugyos and published his Chidushim on it, which will end up being the most popular one in history. Now that printing is cheap, we have much more static in the Seforim world. The first Seforim could have been printed in 1985, forty years after the birth of the first, tiny, generation. We are now forty years later. Not much time for a trend in learning to develop, especially when there are old Seforim to use.

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  11. Too much for one comment29 December, 2022 00:45

    What is glaringly absent in almost all the nominations is a work of true scholarship by an individual that has gained near-universal adulation. A work where a subject is evaluated, where previous texts are engaged with and, dare I say, even criticised (sic), or at the very least critiqued.

    Are you making the goalposts so narrow and expecting results? Oz Vehadar Levusha would be excluded from these goalposts too. There are Seforim that do this job, but they are not yet holding at 'near-universal adulation' as was the Mishna Berura in its time.

    But who decided canonization depends on criticizing previous works? And what does that have to do with the triumphalism that you are trying to undermine with your claim? The purpose of the Chinuch system is that people should know a lot of Torah and live according to it. Do we need critiques of previous generations to achieve that goal? The success of the Chinuch system is not total. But it has produced what it set out to produce - learned foot soldiers of Torah and Mitzvos. Seforim is not the yardstick, and high-quality critiques of topics is certainly not.

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  12. Too much for one comment29 December, 2022 00:56

    Even amongst the nominated titles, very few of them are al hatorah, none on shas, none on mussar, none on drush, none on machshoveh and almost all to a tee are on halakha.

    What is this supposed to prove? From the 100 years before 1945, do you have a single Sefer on these matters that have achieved ‘near-universal adulation’? If you think Michtav Me’eliyahu is one, you need to get out more. Chassidim never heard of it, it is well known because one seminary for girls was founded by the author and his Talmidim. Since Nefesh Hachaim and Tanya, nothing has been produced with that yardstick. Your other examples are laughable. Vayoel Moshe?! Seriously?! Only because there is a Satmar in the world does anyone care to wonder ‘where do these people source their bizarre opinions?’ Sha’arei Aharon is not a novelty, it is a likut, albeit a very useful one. Be’er Moshe is known for sitting on the shelf of older libraries and taking up space. Nobody actually looks inside. You may as well include Pachad Yitzchok and Likutei Sichos for that matter.


    For make no mistake, we have not been sitting idle during this period and there has been an outburst of energy and innovation in our communities on other fronts to develop our culture and facilitate our way of life.

    How is this relevant? Yes, we have a culture apart from our learning, and the lower echelons of society are busy on the internet with politics and other nonsense. The intellectual elite is embarrassed with this. Go into any Kollel and try and discuss politics. They will hide their faces with embarrassment, it is like trying to discuss sports with them.

    Your beef with the mush and pap known as ‘Hamevoar’ and ‘Hameforash’ is noted, but not totally relevant. Printing has become cheaper and cheaper, so there is a market for the less intellectual amongst us. What does that tell us?

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    1. Agreed. You can't discuss politics with a typical 'yungerman' around here. But discuss with him 'yenem's money', who is doing well in business and who is not, who is rebuilding his third home, who is stealing whose "talmid' from whom, yhe latest benefit available or how to get a morthage with no money, and which kollellim are due to open paying a few kopeks more, and how they will talk. Not all, there will always be metzuyonim who don't take their heads out of a sefer, but most.

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    2. Too much for one comment29 December, 2022 13:06

      You are cherry-picking sentences out of context. IYTU claims that we have built our own culture, inasmuch as we have our own newspapers and musicians, political positions and radio stations, but Torah is stagnant.
      To which I answered that he is comparing apples with oranges. The yungerman in Kollel is not a part of that conversation or culture. I don't know that what you say is true. When I hear the שיחת חולין of Kollel Yungeleit, it is usually to poke fun at the latest Gershon Ribner speech, or which Chassidishe posek confused יש ברירה and בורר on Shabbos. The topics you mention are not cultural or time-consuming. They are matters that are relevant to their lives.
      The Masmid who won't remove his head from the Sefer is not relevant here. The question is the extra-curricular cultural activities of Kollel Yungeleit. In my experience, it is not on the low level IYTU describes it.

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    3. Yenem's money or car is relevant to their lives? But you proved my point. Kollel has just become a job. Like any other It's not supposed to be like that and that is at least one of the reasons for the phenomenon described on these pages.

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    4. Too much for one comment29 December, 2022 14:28

      How did Kollel lifestyle become a job? You are reading half-sentences and filling in the rest on your own.

      Everyone in the world has leisure time. Bnei Torah spend that like Bnei Torah, with higher level conversations. Peasants follow sports, watch movies, fress in restaurants and argue about politics.

      But when they discuss Yeshivos and positions therein, they are discussing their lives and the lives of their friends. Kollel Yungeleit receive positions in Yeshivos, car service drivers and hedge fund managers generally do not.

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    5. How did kollel lifestyle become a job? Very simple. You should see the politics when a new kollel opens offering a higher stipend. How those that can to the new one do so, and those that can't demand higher wages, I mean sechar battoloh, to match.

      No different to a job, really. If it was torah torah torah it wouldn't the new kollel wouldn't matter.

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    6. Why can't Kollel yungeleit find a Kollel that pays better? Do they not have expenses? The Sin'as Hatorah in each and every one of your comments is nauseating. Is there a single Kollel that pays a 'fat wage' according to the effort invested in learning in depth? The maximum for a learning Kollel (as opposed to kiruv Kollelim etc.) is no more than $1500 or $2000 per month. In which country can a person live on that?

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    7. Kollel people can do what they want. My point was it equates to a job. Nothing more and nothing less. For many kollel yungeliet. But of course, if you can't attack the argument, attack the arguer. It's also halachikally problematic, sechar batoloh should not depend on what other kollelim are paying. But hey, anybody can do what they like with halochoh, when it suits them.

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    8. Nobody attacked the arguer. His statements are filled with hate.

      But a Kollel check is not שכר בטלה, it is support to help him learn. He isn't being paid a wage, nobody considers it a wage, and he does not need to pay Maaser on it. He needs support to dedicate his life to learning, and the more support the easier that is. There is nothing wrong, hypocritical, problematic or underhanded about it.
      It only becomes a problem when the yungerman has enough money to live off, yet still looks for more. But when that happens, we will discuss it.

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    9. Whatever it is or is not, our sages throughout the ages strongly condemned this approach from קרדום לחפור בה to כל תורה שאין עמה מלאכה סופה בטלה to the Rambam at the beginning of hilchos Talmud Torah הרי זה מבזה את התורה and so on.

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    10. Hate? Where is the hate? Merely pointing out that many kollel yungerleit are no different to anybody else when it comes to money is not hate. Nor is discussing all the dishonest benefit cheating that keeps the culture alive. You not having an answer is not hate. And 'but all the goyim do it too', the standard yeshivish response, when chareidim simultaneously claim to be holier than every body else, especially goyim, is also not an answer.

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    11. Moish - your list is quite sparse. You quote Chazal, which does not necessarily mean what you say it does. The Rambam is of that opinion, but he is a דעת יחיד in this. Your 'and so on' includes virtually nobody, and the Halacha in Shulchan Aruch is quite clearly not like the Rambam.
      And it is not only that the decided Halacha is not like the Rambam. The poskim that argue with him strenuously write quite clearly that the Minhag was always to give money to Lomdim to learn without the worry of money on their heads. It is not only non-Halachic, it is completely against our tradition. Our tradition always included public support for Talmidei Chachamim and Lomdei Torah, and the Rambam's claims were ignored and essentially pushed away.

      How sad it is that each generation thinks that they have discovered America when they find one מראה מקום and they think the entire world got it wrong.

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    12. TRST - now you brought new ta'anos into the mix, and claimed I haven't answered them. When you never mentioned them in the first place. Benefits fraud - I don't live in England and I don't know what you are talking about. Maybe it takes place, and it is wrong. But when they spent years investigating Lakewood, and eventually made some arrests, all of those arrests were shown to be duds. The government settled for pennies because they knew they would not win in court. Those whom I knew personally showed me that the claims were about incorrect paperwork, not fraud.

      Nobody said 'all the Goyim did it' except in your unhealthy internal dialogue. Nobody mentioned holier than everybody else. Perhaps your fifteen years in Kollel were filled with fraud and lying, that says nothing about anybody else's.

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    13. Anon@23:49 - the Rambam only happens to be quoted almost verbatim by the Remo in hilchos Talmud Torah in יו״ד even where the מחבר omitted this (see though או״ח קנ״ו). The small caveats the Remo makes do not anticipate or provide justification for today’s kollel by default and for everyone approach. See also רבינו יונה on כל תורה שאין עמה מלאכה.

      The entire system in Israel at least relies on holding the Israeli taxpayer to ransom. I don’t think this is what the כסף משנה is referring to and relying on a shrinking demographic of taxpayers to support a growing non-economically active demographic is just going to result in Israel impoverishing itself within the next few decades unless we rediscover יפה תורה עם דרך ארץ. הרבה עשו כרשב״י ולא עלתה בידם remains as true today as it was in late antiquity.

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    14. The minhag was to give rabbonim, melamdim and dayonim. There was NO minhag to provide cash to chavrusos who want to learn together all day.

      And relying on a yesh omrim in a yesh omrim, well, when the modox do that the chareidim think what they thi nk. But suddenly its ok when it suits. The same people who will passul eiruvim on a whim are happy to rely on the da'as yechidim when it suits.

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    15. Moish - you are misquoting the Rema. The Rema quotes the Rambam, and argues against him. The general rule of learning Halacha is that the Rema is deciding against the Rambam. And so did the Minhag Yisroel. Wherever there was enough money for it, people supported Lomdim who did not work. For most of our history that wasn't really a possibility. But in some towns and countries it was, and people did so.

      Interestingly enough, I wonder what all these Rambam fans say when they spend Shabbos in a town that does not have a Rambam approved Eiruv, which is virtually every town in the world. Do they suddenly find other Shitos, even though the Rambam is not a da'as yochid in Eiruvin? Or do they suddenly not care any more?

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    16. You are being disingenuous by repeatedly asserting that the Rambam is a daas yochid here. The entire thrust of Chazal’s teachings on these topics accords with the Rambam and until after WW2, מלסטם את הבריות would have been the inevitable endpoint for 99% of people who would have chosen to live כרשב״י ולא כר׳ ישמעאל.

      Today’s kollel for the masses lifestyle has been enabled by secular tax payers in Israel and generous welfare states in western countries, not because charedim have discovered the virtues of פת במלח תאכל.

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    17. Moish - big fancy words. Yet no toichen. Find me someone who agrees with the Rambam. The Tashbatz, the Avkas Rochel and the minhag Yisroel disagree. They understood the Gemaros differently, thrust notwithstanding. The Mishna Berura quotes the matirim, and any society that does not have full time Lomdim inevitably ends up amei ha'aretz.

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  13. Too much for one comment29 December, 2022 01:01

    For while the various translations have no doubt opened the texts to the wider public they also expose a vacuum at the heart of Charedi education. For comparison, visit a local bookshop and head for the Shakespeare plays and sonnets or the classical poetry section where you are likely to find plenty of annotated works with glossaries, comments and notes, but relatively few line-by-line translations or reformulations other than those targeted at GCSE students.

    What a foolish comparison?! Shakespeare is not studied by anyone other than supreme nerds and high school students. Why would a line by line translation be necessary? By contrast, every Yid is supposed to learn Torah, not just nerds and grad students. Some believe that making Torah accessible to all helps them fulfill their religious obligations. That is why we have all of these translations and Hamvo’ars. You are right, things have been sadly dumbed down. But that is a product of the cheapness of printing as well as the proliferation of extra spending money in the public. Someone will always try and get their hands on that money, why not Artscroll/Mesivta/Hameforash? People will choose candy over real food, so the genre is safe.

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  14. One possible explanation for this phenomenon is that the hareidi world has declined, compared to other forms of Judaism, at least since the 1980s which is the time period for publications of works by people born after 1945. The only Jewish works likely to be still published or quoted in the next hundred years are those of Artscroll and Lord Sacks. Chareidi publishing is barely making a ripple in its own world, let alone beyond its walls into the rest of orthodoxy, which was not the case for authors born pre-1945

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  15. Litvak fun Budapest30 December, 2022 12:52

    If you want a serious answer, here it is.

    Seder Taharos was basically uncharted territory. Since the Rash, virtually nothing was discussed, and the Sugyos were virgins. Recently, a great awakening has taken place regarding Taharos and many Seforim have been produced on the Sugyos. Which will be canonized is still impossible to tell, but there is much quality material being produced on the topics. The first was probably חשב האפוד on כלים, and it is still a seminal work. But others built on his foundation and developed things further.

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  16. Have you forgotten about Yeridas Hadoiras? How can you expect the same as the previous generation prior to the war?

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  17. Bet Shemesh lawyer18 January, 2023 15:00

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    Dear Reb Tickle,

    I read your blog about the seeming paucity of new ‘classic’ seforim with some bewilderment and disappointment.

    As I am not on twitter, I do not know whether it is an appropriate place for canvassing views about the latest in seforim, but I guess that a quick phone call to the owners/managers of Lehmans in Gateshead or Hasefer Bookstore in Manchester (which are IMHO the two best and well stocked seforim stores in England) would have been a more efficient and direct route to gain a rounded view of the state of seforim buying and publishing. I would be surprised if either of them were to agree with your sentiments about the state of modern publications.

    I am only an amateur reader/learner/collector of seforim – albeit my wife would disagree with me about my collecting and state that my collection which overruns our house is anything but amateur – but I can name several new ‘classics’ or potential ‘classic’ of every genre as follows:

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  18. Bet Shemesh lawyer18 January, 2023 15:01

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    - In halacho
    § the 4 volume Orchos Shabbos (by Rav Sholom Gelber 1950 and Rav Yitzchak Mordechai Rubin 1961) which is also a best seller
    § Nesivos Sholom on Ribbis (by Rav Sholom Gelber)
    § Chochmas HaLev on Eiruvin (by Rav Meir Rosner 1960s)
    § Bris Pinchas on Ribbis (by Rav Pinchas Wind 1960s)
    § Shut Meleches Shlomo and other halocho seforim by the former Rishon Lezion Rav Shlomo Amar (1948)
    § Halacha Berurah (by Rav David Yosef 1957)
    § Yalkut Yosef (by HaRishon Lezion – Rav Yitzhak Yosef 1952 – although this is mainly a compendium of his father’s psakim) which is a best seller
    § I would add the innovative Sefer on Bedikas Tolaim of Rav Moshe Vaye to the list (which has been translated into several languages) but he was born in 1944

    - Al Hatorah
    § Mizmor LeDavid - The seforim of Rav Dovid Cohen (Rosh Yeshiva of Chevron 1950)
    § Chavatzelet Hasharon (by Rav Mordechai Carlebach 1970s)

    - Al Shas
    § The shiurim of Rav Issamar Garbuz (Rosh Yeshiva of Orchos Torah 1962) – with a special mention for his seforim on Taharos
    § The seforim of R’ Chezkia Yosef Schrieber (Rosh Yeshiva of Maharil 1954), who takes Iyun to new and innovative depths (his talmidim are known as ‘Schreiberistn’)
    § Amaros Avrohom on zeraim by Rav Avrohom Ziskind (a R’M in Nesivos Chochmo 1960s)

    - Al Hamoadim
    § Moadim LeSimcha 7 volumes (from Rav Tuviah Freund 1970s – which were originally articles in Hamodia)
    § Yerach LeMoadim (the so far 12 volume series by Rav Yerucham Olshin, Rosh Yeshiva of Lakewood 1950s) which is a best seller in both the US and Israel

    - Musar – Bilvavi Mishkan (numerous seforim by Rav Itamar Schwartz 1970s)

    - Kabbolah - Yaakov Hillel (1945) –numerous kabboloh seforim

    Whilst these seforim and names may not ring a bell for all of your readers, some of them are already quoted extensively by other seforim that have followed them (in particular the first 4 halochoh seforim mentioned above).

    I think it undisputable that main centre of Torah learning in the world is now in Israel and that there has been a significant consolidation of this status over the last 30 to 40 years. Relatively new Mekomos HaTorah such as Yeshivas Tifrach; Nesivos Chochmoh (known as ‘Wolfson’ after its Rosh Yeshiva); Ohr Yisroel and Ateres Shlomo (Sorotzkin) are powerhouses of Torah with some 3000 talmidim between them. These yeshivas have all been built or significantly developed in the last 40 years and are considered (along with the well-known Ponovezh and Hevron) to be the best Yeshivas in Israel – yet I understand that none of these ‘new’ Yeshivas are household names outside of Israel. In addition, a younger generation of Israeli Rosh Yeshivas (such as Rav Noam Alon of Mir Brachfeld, Rav Avrohom Mordechai Ausband of Sorotzkin) and poskim (like Rav Amram Fried) who are in their 40s has taken the challenging and competitive world of Israeli Yeshivas by storm – yet they are (as yet) little known outside of Israel. The fact that people outside of the Israeli yeshiva world may not be familiar with the new Yeshivas, younger Rosh Yeshivas and the latest best-selling seforim may be an indication that they are a little distanced from the new centre of the Torah world which is most definitely a Hebrew (not Yiddish or English) speaking environment.

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  19. Bet Shemesh lawyer18 January, 2023 15:06

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    Several other points that I think are worth considering:

    - I would suggest that there only three or four seforim that have been authored in the last 250 years that you will find in most ‘frum’ households, namely: (in no particular order) the Mishne Brurah, the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch and perhaps Shmiras Shabbos and/or Sefer Chofetz Chaim. Measuring any seforim against these classics is going to be a challenge - as they truly were ground breaking and (each in a different way) and helped create the market for the halocho (and other) seforim we have today.

    - I do not think that your article adequately addresses or considers the absolute explosion of seforim printing that has taken place in the last 40 years (and especially over the last 10 years). A manager at one of the larger seforim stores in Yerushalayim told me that he is offered more than 20 new titles every week and this number is growing year on year! The competition for shelf space means that it will be much more challenging for any one title to reach the level of a ‘classic’ than ever before.

    - If the measuring stick is the prevalence of seforim in homes or Shuls when compared with some of the other Seforim you mention (Tztitz Eliezer, Be’er Moshe and others) then I think that some of the Seforim listed above could already give you a run for your money.

    - Generally the ‘top’ Israeli Rosh Yeshivas refrain from publishing Seforim of their gemoro shiurim during their lifetimes (or at least they wait until they are much older). The seforim of the shiurim of the older Rosh Yeshivas Reb Gershon Edelstein, Reb Berel Povarsky and Rav Boruch Mordechai Ezrachi have only been printed in recent years and it will take some time to determine whether or not they will become ‘classics’ of the type you are looking for. It is also likely to be some time (if at all) before we see publications of the seforim on the shiurim of either Rav Avrohom Yehoshua Solovechik (1949), or Rav Osher Arielli (1957) to name just a couple of the ‘younger’ Rosh Yeshivas born post-war that are ‘household names’ even in Chutz LeAretz.

    - There are truly innovative seforim being printed on areas of Torah that were previously not well covered – I could name you several more potential new ‘classic’ seforim on Zeroim, Kodshim and Taharos - and there is now increasing demand for seforim covering these areas as many there are many kollelim across the world which learn these subjects.

    - Whilst he was born in 1935, so he is technically outside of your requested timeframe, Rav Moshe Shapiro ztz’l was educated post war and has been responsible for a veritable revolution in the approach of the Yeshiva world to to Machshova and Kabbolah. Given the number of Seforim printed either in his name, or by his talmidim and the huge influence he has had on the Olam Hamachshova over the past 40 years, it would be remiss to omit his name from an article on the publication of influential seforim post-war.

    I hope that I have managed to persuade you to some extent that, notwithstanding ירידת הדורות, we can still say with confidence לא אלמן ישראל!

    Yours sincerely,

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    1. "would have been a more efficient and direct route to gain a rounded view of the state of seforim buying and publishing. "

      With all due respect that is precisely NOT what Tickle is writing about. He was not discussing 'buying' or 'publishing'. Completely irrelevant to the point.

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    2. Rav Yitzchok Sorotzkin (1945) of Cleveland and Lakewood has published upwards of 70 seforim on most of Shas, Tanach, and Rambam. As a first-class lamdan, mechadaish, maggid shuir and writer, the only thing preventing his seforim from entering the canon is their sheer voluminousness.

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  20. Cannot understand why anyone would be so passionate about parents' right to subject children to a terrible education.

    Your children are being rejected by schools which falls to meet any basic standards for education, where violent punishment is normal, where there are no safeguards protecting your children against the predations of the most depraved menuvolim.

    It seems to me that far from being an occasion for melodramatic grief and terrible raps, your children's Chanukah present this year arrived early in Ellul.

    Satmar bochurim don't need to go to Satmar, Bobov bochurim don't need to go to Bobov, and Vizhnitz bochurim don't need to go to Vizhnitz. Be open minded about your options and do what's best for your children, not what's best for your egos.

    Everyone time a door closes, another one opens.

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