tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post8346370965567732512..comments2024-01-29T20:11:34.297+00:00Comments on If You Tickle Us...: Horrible HistoriesIfYouTickleUshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02269642544675508665noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-7044278711990630632014-02-16T08:09:59.094+00:002014-02-16T08:09:59.094+00:00Anonymous4 February 2014 12:53
... Rabbi Abraham h...Anonymous4 February 2014 12:53<br />... Rabbi Abraham had fallen out with the governors over his approach to yiddish and chol. <br /><br />Interesting you say that for I believe it was at least one of the reasons that Rabbi Moshe Dovid Berkovits (not Rabbi Dovid Berkowitz per the Hamodia apology) likewise left. He was of the opinion that the school tried to foist Yiddish on the kids despite their lack of understanding of it, and were using Chumash lessons as a vehicle of teaching Yiddish. One particularly noteworthy example: he fathered them about Poroh Adumoh which rh children thought was a red key.Leyzernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-61157727108602369822014-02-09T05:21:05.539+00:002014-02-09T05:21:05.539+00:00In the years I was at Pardes House Rabbi Sasson Ha...In the years I was at Pardes House Rabbi Sasson Hai Abraham was the headmaster, and Rabbi Dominitz was only an occasional visitor who ran a concert and trained us to sing "Lo Mir Alleh Lichtig Zein....." Rav Chune Halpern was definitely the person in charge and was titled principal. He came once a week, and when the neighbours protested about the noise on Sunday mornings, classes were relocated to Rav Chune's Bais hamedrash. Rabbi Lieberman from Stamford Hill was a rebbe I specially liked, although his deteriorating eyesight caused him to retire young. There are other melamdim who are still alive from taht period of time who can also give the facts and realities.Infants 51noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-67221177164901478422014-02-05T13:47:35.105+00:002014-02-05T13:47:35.105+00:00Reb Yossel Weiss joined Pardes House only long aft...Reb Yossel Weiss joined Pardes House only long after the move to West Heath Road. He only came to England at the end of 1956.<br />It is true that Rabbi Abraham was (one of) the first melamed(im). Manny Silver was also much later and was not there for very long.sh educatednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-49662874544641820202014-02-04T12:53:39.640+00:002014-02-04T12:53:39.640+00:00I was a pupil of Pardes House having joine din 195...I was a pupil of Pardes House having joine din 1956. The connection between YHS and PHS was still quite sound for a number of eyar and Reb Shmelke used to visit PHS a few times a year. <br /><br />For your reference Dayan Braceiner ztl left YHS to take over from the late Rabbi Sasoon Abraham zl as headmaster in 1960. Rabbi Abraham had fallen out with the governors over his approach to yiddish and chol. During that time Dayan Bracener remained Rov of Montague Road in Dalston until his move to Finchley Federation and was appoimnted a Dayan at the Federation some time later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-69666619018655750382014-02-02T20:33:48.466+00:002014-02-02T20:33:48.466+00:00Pardes was started by Reb Sender Dominitz Zatzal. ...Pardes was started by Reb Sender Dominitz Zatzal. He took Reb sason Abraham as the first melamed, & took food from Stamford Hill YHS, daily.<br />Two weeks after he started he took a second Melamed for Chumish, Reb Menachem (Manny) Silver, later Rav Karnovsky.<br />AT some point Reb Elchonon Halpern hijacked the project & tossed the melamdim. Replacing them with Reb Yossele Weiss etc, trying to make it into a chasidishe chader, which didn't stick. <br />He later took back Reb KarnovskY & few years later Rabbi Abraham as menahel.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-66732022542625889902014-02-02T08:25:15.942+00:002014-02-02T08:25:15.942+00:00Error in my post of 30.1.14 10:59
1956/57 should ...Error in my post of 30.1.14 10:59<br /><br />1956/57 should be 1953/54<br /><br />Sorry!sh educatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-44329781871911911632014-02-02T00:21:00.550+00:002014-02-02T00:21:00.550+00:00Mr. Tickle.
No. But I left (what later became)PH ...Mr. Tickle.<br /><br />No. But I left (what later became)PH in 1955. At that time it was still known, at least to the boys, as Yesoidey Hatorah Golders Green. For family reasons I lost touch with Golders Green for several years and by the time I had "re-connected" it had moved to a freestanding house at 181 West Heath Road and was called Pardes House. As far as I know, by then it was completely independent of YHS.<br /><br />It is highly unlikely that there was ever a din torah because at that time R' Elchonon Halpern was the (honourary) president of PH and also, of course, a dayan on the then fledgling UOHC beis din. sh educatednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-35532209517552397612014-01-30T21:37:59.652+00:002014-01-30T21:37:59.652+00:00Are you aware of a din torah where YHS accused PH ...Are you aware of a din torah where YHS accused PH of poaching boys? I once heard of something like that but no further details.IfYouTickleUshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02269642544675508665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-85614312932688825772014-01-30T10:59:50.027+00:002014-01-30T10:59:50.027+00:00Mr. Tickle.
That is correct. Indeed what later be...Mr. Tickle.<br /><br />That is correct. Indeed what later became Pardes House started in a house in Sneath Avenue as "Yesodey Hatorah Golders Green".<br />This was about 1956/57.<br /><br />Then, as now, the education ethic in Golders Green was different to Stamford Hill and as was inevitable eventually the new school parted from the YHS and its ethic to become independent of the Stamford Hill influence. As it is now.<br /><br />Just one (of many) examples - the length of your wife's sheitel (or if she wears one at all!) is not a criterion in the decision as to whether your child should be accepted in the school.sh educatednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-43912975501560237382014-01-30T00:56:15.615+00:002014-01-30T00:56:15.615+00:00Pardes is called that because it was a branch of Y...Pardes is called that because it was a branch of YHS and the original Pardes badge had YHS written on it. <br /><br />pardes housenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-4650196128955038142014-01-29T21:41:40.385+00:002014-01-29T21:41:40.385+00:00SH Ed, Pinter titled himself Prinicpal but Chair o...SH Ed, Pinter titled himself Prinicpal but Chair of the Board of Governors (and all of the board too) would have been a more accurate job description. This love of the title Principal has been inherited by his son who also fulfils few prinicpal roles, though in the latter's case to draw a wage nothing other than principal will do.<br /><br />Yossi, the JC archives suggest that in its early days Pardes was considered almost a satellite of YHS.<br /><br />IfYouTickleUshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02269642544675508665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-67802048493708844372014-01-29T12:34:38.802+00:002014-01-29T12:34:38.802+00:00I can't wait for the Hamodia write up about Pa...I can't wait for the Hamodia write up about Pardes House SchoolAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09416295333329905898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-89000290936740184062014-01-29T11:58:48.268+00:002014-01-29T11:58:48.268+00:00I was in YHS in the early 50s and remember both R...I was in YHS in the early 50s and remember both Rebbes Hischler and Braciener.<br /><br />Reb Pesach Hirschler was one of the most beloved melamdim there and I still have fond memories of him. Rabbi Braciener left shortly after to become a dayan in the Federation which I believe he remained as for the rest of his life.<br /><br />By the early or mid 50s Rebbe Pinter was something in the office, I was too young to understand what, and not a melamed. In fact the talmidim had very little to do with him.<br /><br />The undisputed, I hope, best rebbe was Rebbe Rand who moved later to Manchester.sh educatednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-35494554935204980522014-01-28T19:52:02.966+00:002014-01-28T19:52:02.966+00:00Here is a story I was told regarding Reb Mordche S...Here is a story I was told regarding Reb Mordche Schleider. In the early years of the school there were 4 melamdim, Braziner, Reb Mordche, Reb Shmelke and Pesach Hirschler, though the person who told me this wasn't certain about Hirschler.<br /><br />At some point the school couldn't afford 4 melamdim and it was decided to dismiss one melamed. Not knowing whom to choose, Rav Pardes drew lots and Reb Shmelke's name came up. It was at this stage that Reb Mordche offered to step aside instead.<br /><br />Which leads us to one of the great what ifs of our local history.IfYouTickleUshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02269642544675508665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-60007196117972279532014-01-28T15:47:05.328+00:002014-01-28T15:47:05.328+00:00The first Melamed was R' Mordchai Schleider (M...The first Melamed was R' Mordchai Schleider (Max),Zatzal who was an elterer Bochur at the time, & crowned by R' Pardes as a mechanech mumcheh. The Gateshead Rov R' Betzalel Rackow called him A Tzadik Nistor, he was also one of the only people to receive smichah fromDayan Grunspan Zatzal from Glassgow.<br />Seeing he was single & Reb Shmelka had a small family already & no means to support them, Reb Mordchai gave up his job, so that Reb Shmelka zatazal would take it, and be able to support his family.<br />Reb Shmelka was machshiv R' mordchai & makir Tova to him ad soif yomov. He had no problem telling the story in public, when one of his misspallelim, made a shiduch with Reb Mordchai zatza'l.<br />Obviously he never made up stories himself.<br />You may want to interview Hashi Deutsch davens at 69, he was a talmid of Reb Mordchai Schleider,& was probably from the earlier talmidim at YHS. Or Sodi Torah as we once knew it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-2453825218063449672014-01-27T05:30:48.269+00:002014-01-27T05:30:48.269+00:00hershel, the entire article is written in the plur...hershel, the entire article is written in the plural. Pinter had zero association with the school at its inception and, the evidence aside, there was no reason why he should have been there.IfYouTickleUshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02269642544675508665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-43338746103020703032014-01-27T00:58:07.791+00:002014-01-27T00:58:07.791+00:00I don't really care for this nonsense, but the...I don't really care for this nonsense, but the JC proof of yours is poor. Pinter is clearly taking his own attendance for granted, as is clear from his description of the speech. A few words in, he writes "he cautioned us". Tickle on.hershelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-81850926751457780282014-01-26T00:33:01.313+00:002014-01-26T00:33:01.313+00:00I remember it well, all those pretty future rebitz...I remember it well, all those pretty future rebitzens. How about the YHS football team.....it would be nice to read a report in Hamodia about the under 12 team's thrashing of Clarks College 5-0 and then 5-1 at Milllfields and the seniors winning all they played against. What about the athletics in Finsbury park? Surely a history of a school should show the remarkable sporting achievements of its very talented athletes who went on to be pillars of the community. Hamodia has also erased 'yoshki' from YHS history. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-34648845078547241992014-01-25T22:22:29.545+00:002014-01-25T22:22:29.545+00:00Anon, good point. The Hamodia writes, "The sc...Anon, good point. The Hamodia writes, "The school opened... with classes for boys and for girls." Read that how you will.<br /><br />In fact, it was not only class 1 that was mixed but all classes for the first few years but for secular subjects only.<br /><br />My further enquiries also suggest that Pinter was not even a melamed at the very start in 1942 and he only later joined the school.IfYouTickleUshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02269642544675508665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-66916162228381352332014-01-25T19:01:44.573+00:002014-01-25T19:01:44.573+00:00Does the Hamodia history show that class 1 was mix...Does the Hamodia history show that class 1 was mixed in the late 1940s and early 1950s?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com