tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post5129270387754141482..comments2024-01-29T20:11:34.297+00:00Comments on If You Tickle Us...: ושמרו בני ישראל את השבת – ShabbatUK SpecialIfYouTickleUshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02269642544675508665noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-53634088221446382012015-05-10T23:00:14.107+01:002015-05-10T23:00:14.107+01:00Ultimately you pay for what you get....
If you bu...Ultimately you pay for what you get....<br /><br />If you buy kedassia meat you pay for 'roided chickens and a discredited system of patronage.<br /><br />If you buy Fed meat you pay for shefa carrying out their own shechita, and for an overpriced shul in Manchester.<br /><br />If you buy lbs meat you pay for an over-remunerated shochet (also in Manchester) and a reliable independant hechsher.straw summer hatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-90766216507513545892015-03-30T19:39:19.253+01:002015-03-30T19:39:19.253+01:00The new gourmet mehadrim beef with a hechsher from...The new gourmet mehadrim beef with a hechsher from dayan Eckstein (belz sh) rav shneibalg (edgware) and rav knopfler (GG) is flying of the shelves in kosher outlet.<br /><br />Side bola's at £12 kg compared to keddassia at £19 kg and many other ridiculous low prices but the quality is good.<br /><br />Now that looks like an advert! But it's really a clarification of our lovely kehilah owned keddassia who charge us way to much for the luxury of keeping kosher! <br /><br />Keddassia own the abattoir and obviously are either ripping us off or rather bad business men, <br />Or a bit of both!!<br /><br />We should all support our kehilah but really the kehilah should be supporting us!!<br /><br />Just some food for thought! <br /><br />I heard pickled tounges were £7.75kg? True?why pay more for your glat meat!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-19257218441884600492015-03-19T17:14:12.717+00:002015-03-19T17:14:12.717+00:00See http://www.thejc.com/node/132076
"Gilber...See http://www.thejc.com/node/132076<br /><br />"Gilbert's, he wrote, "will continue to buy similar quantities of meat from those abattoirs, albeit with a non-LBS licence. There will be no reduction in the provision of kosher slaughter in the UK"<br /><br />So, the entire brouhaha is over which rabbi watches the death blow of the poor sacrificial cow? I must be missing something - I thought the Feds were wrecking the future of shechita in the UK? <br /><br />Why should the consumer really care about all the arguments up there ^^^ ? Ultimately he's getting good prices and a hechsher from great rabbonim. Sounds like *a good deal*.Free the Fleishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-44849658078067251552015-03-17T08:50:44.324+00:002015-03-17T08:50:44.324+00:00 Who cares if LBS shuts down!
Keddassia sell most... Who cares if LBS shuts down!<br /><br />Keddassia sell most of the kosher meat in London and Shefa is very big.<br /><br />Next is Deli with their polish beef which has nothing to do with LBS and is shechted under a different hechsher in Poland and all LBS do is collect a license fee for doing nothing. They may as well not give supervision to Deli. <br /><br />So if LBS goes its not the end of kosher meat in the uk.<br /><br />It would be the beginning of a brighter future for the kosher consumer.<br /><br />Dayan Eckstein from Belz Stamford Hill is the biggest player with all the new meat under him. He is a quiet an unassuming man but actually in control of a significant % of kosher meat into London!The Belzr Rabbi who is shutting LBS and taking over the market, quietlynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-48869603677323783022015-03-16T16:47:36.403+00:002015-03-16T16:47:36.403+00:00Labs are now insignificant,
Most of their butcher...Labs are now insignificant,<br /><br />Most of their butchers buy from abroad and since they have now refused to allow gilberts to buy from them they have said that they may now have to shut their shecitah in Manchester. It does not mean the end of shechitah in the uk but rather the end of the lbs shechitah in the uk,<br /><br />keddassia, Manchester beis din, machsikei addass and gateshead still shect in th uk<br /><br />All this mean the Lbs as an organization is losing market share and becoming irrelevant<br />The Lbs should face facts, most kosher consumers now want a mehadrim hechsher and the traditional Lbs market is shrinkingLbs is iurrelevant and may as well shut downnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-75223854423075484622015-03-16T16:41:09.770+00:002015-03-16T16:41:09.770+00:00Amidst the cacophony of kettles being thrown aroun...Amidst the cacophony of kettles being thrown around, facts are beginning to emerge. It is a fact that the Fed's move increases the percentage supply of beef which has been produced with welfare standards that would be illegal here. At a stroke of a minister's pen such imports couldbe cut off. Blaming the LBS for failing to assume the supine position of cattle lead to slaughter will fool nobody - after all Gilberts terminated the contract with LBS not the other way around. This was a botched hatchet job which gotten very messy. <br /><br />So Kosher beef eaters of London - here is the beed. We draw a step closer to the scenario where the closest restaurant, ethical or otherwise, serving Kosher meat, will be in Paris. Where commercial interests and branding trump Kashrus. Where jockeying for money and power pass for leadership. Where emphasising disunity and contempt for others is used to signal strength. <br /><br />But has the Fed trustees killed the goose who laid their golden eggs?Fedoranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-67415107379370032072015-03-16T12:09:05.553+00:002015-03-16T12:09:05.553+00:00Fed up, as a fellow animal lover I too share your ...Fed up, as a fellow animal lover I too share your concerns. Where do you buy your meat from? Are there any restaurants which are ethically ok meat-wise? Animal lovingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-26365212876403391332015-03-16T11:30:28.005+00:002015-03-16T11:30:28.005+00:00Aah my fedora sporting friend, you misunderstand, ...Aah my fedora sporting friend, you misunderstand, I have no interest in taking or defending sides but in clarifying facts. You fail to confirm that meat you claim to be inexpertly shechted in an agriprocessor like fashion is indeed approved and sold through lbs licensees and yet you say your concerned about the credibility of kashrus? Pot? Kettle? Do you think the lbs will stop their licensees from accepting meat which has been perfectly acceptable to them until now for non kashrus reasons? Maybe those licensees will look to Gilberts in how to respond to bullying?<br /><br />I wonder how long cattle shechita in the UK will last now that 90% of lbs beef is from outside the UK. That would surely rock a boat or two...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-62951580674854055652015-03-16T10:05:44.245+00:002015-03-16T10:05:44.245+00:00https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fawc-ad...https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fawc-advice-on-cattle-inversion-for-religious-slaughter for why shechita munachas is illegal in this country, is not practiced in the main LBS abbatoir in Manchester and is now going to make up the vast majority of kosher beef sold in the UK. Hope the Fed trustees will make replacement donations to the late R Weingarten's ShechitaUK advocacy group, notwithstanding the obviously deleterious impact of this change in continuing to make the case for kosher. Shechita munachas claims to be a hiddur to prevent the shochet pressing the knife. The reality is that animals have been shechted the right way around for thousands of years by real mumchim, and this is just the first of many cut corners. Shechita munachas increases throughput and compensates for inexperience. And this is what the Fed are proud of.<br /><br /> As he now seems to hold council meetings on tickle, could the trustee for social media confirm that he will be a genuine credit to R' Weingarten zl and continue contributing to ShechitaUK? Or is this complicating the marketing led money grab?<br /><br />Who designed the layout of the shtempel? The Rabbis or the Outlet?<br /><br />And will he explain why only charedim are 'relevant'? Are sephardim irrelevant? Are we non charedi but perfectly observant irrelevant? Are the council members and the LBS and anything else not controlled by the trustees irrelevant? Is accountability irrelevant?<br /><br />If it ain't broke don't electroshock it into a cage, flip it the wrong way around and cut its neck.Fed up of Golders Greennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-24195853300170941712015-03-16T08:14:22.050+00:002015-03-16T08:14:22.050+00:00The Feds haven't been Chareidi for a hundred y...The Feds haven't been Chareidi for a hundred years but there's a broad range of people crying out for leadership. The Feds should step up by seizing the momentum so stop worrying about who has been carrying the can over the last few years - just be glad that people are actually talking about you. It's amazing to think that the Feds may even start to become relevant! Who woulda thought it?!? Too heimish for mt (black) hat, what about that?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-27668974967922050962015-03-16T07:35:48.436+00:002015-03-16T07:35:48.436+00:00Let me get this straight. The defence for employin...Let me get this straight. The defence for employing private sector shochtim is now not prof Rosen's 'catering for kedassia market'. It's actually the same meat as the LBS.<br /><br />You say additional supervision. But who employs the shochtim? The quality of governance has in reality been decimated. This is a for profit shechita. From a trustee team who flip a bird at anyone who gets in the way.The Fed need the money to continue the great Northern give away.<br />Fedoranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-47112191863364725122015-03-16T00:28:17.527+00:002015-03-16T00:28:17.527+00:00Oh the same meat which lbs has been selling throug...Oh the same meat which lbs has been selling through its licensees for some time but with additional supervision has now become "inexpert"? About 50% to 70% of lbs meat is shechita munachas and Gilberts was the majority of the beef which wasn't so I guess it'll be nearer 90% of lbs beef coming from outside the uk now. Wow that's terrible. I thought the lbs wanted to protect shechita in England? The hypocrisy is "shocking" Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-84027788610916357062015-03-15T17:43:51.507+00:002015-03-15T17:43:51.507+00:00Yes. Shechita by Shefa in Ireland, then sold to Gi...Yes. Shechita by Shefa in Ireland, then sold to Gilberts, then cost shop. Watch this space on the goldets green shefa shop.cant pull Fedora over our eyesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-34127041853539892382015-03-15T16:31:41.919+00:002015-03-15T16:31:41.919+00:00Hang on my fedora-sporting friend, what's shef...Hang on my fedora-sporting friend, what's shefa mehadrin got to do with anything? You seem to be well informed... are they coming under the new hechsher?Foot in Mouth Diseasenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-70823274495472979582015-03-15T08:38:34.757+00:002015-03-15T08:38:34.757+00:00I supppse the opinion of Sephardim lile the late D...I supppse the opinion of Sephardim lile the late Dayan Amor is.worth less even than the opinion of non Charedi observants... this is what sectarian politics is like.<br /><br />And as always we the non Charedi observant didn't start it.<br /><br />For the record the new Mehadrin brand is not chalak beit Yosef. the real Fedoranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-74911328390921582642015-03-15T08:21:00.741+00:002015-03-15T08:21:00.741+00:00Moshiachust be in the air... Given the number of r...Moshiachust be in the air... Given the number of rabbonim offered a dayanus the Fed must be looking to reestablish the Sanhedrin. What is the point of muscling out one group of badly governed kleptocrats with no respect for process and governance with.... another. Yes, it's preposterous that a shochet is on over 100k. But where will that money go to now? Gilberts and Shefa are not social enterprises. Shechita munachas - less LOL - more ROF drowning in own blood while some cheaper inexpert shochet employed by Shefa flails around with a meat hook Agriprocessor style. But clearly because I care about the credibility of kashrus and the long term future of shechita in this countr I'm not the target audience. In fact 90% of the Federation (the percentage who built up the funds the current children on the committee are so enthusiastically disbursing on charedim) aren't the target audience. Which begs the question - why?<br /><br />Go form your own UOHC lite if that's what rocks 'shimon''s boat and stop hijacking a successful and stable institution not least by failing to invest in the existing constituent synagogues.<br />the real Fedoranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-53473498855531448162015-03-13T15:22:46.177+00:002015-03-13T15:22:46.177+00:00B"h the meat seems to be selling well from wh...B"h the meat seems to be selling well from what I saw in the Outlet. Nicely packaged and great prices will ensure people keep buying. Whoever is behind this deserves credit - yasher koichachem! Free the Fleishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-27310352151418702932015-03-13T10:25:52.172+00:002015-03-13T10:25:52.172+00:00Kosher deli buys all his meat from poland and not ...Kosher deli buys all his meat from poland and not through a board of shecitah operation, <br /><br />Why has this not been a contributing factor in the lbs demise? <br /><br />It's all about politics, market share etc, it's no longer about helping people to keep kosher! <br /><br />Keddassia is no better, in fact the board and keddassia act quite similarly and the people who loose out from these self serving cartels are the consumer.<br /><br />Hopefully the charity commission will investigate? consumers come last while community leaders squabble over market sharenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-89958053105610900952015-03-13T09:05:07.133+00:002015-03-13T09:05:07.133+00:00Who cares if Lbs shut??
Maybe their trustees and ...Who cares if Lbs shut??<br /><br />Maybe their trustees and people who get koved from the LBS, if they are not needed let them shut down<br /><br />The LBS have been annoyingly un cooperative with gilberts and have vetoed his production of a mehadrim brand, and lost him lots of money on perfectly kosher meat which they banned for non kashrut reasons. Terrible shame, the Lbs has lost its way, its role is to promote kosher meat not restrict kosher meat.<br /><br />You reap what you sow, no point crying when Gilberts called your bluff Mr Lbs, you shouldn't have blackmailed gilberts to begin with, you put him in a corner and he reacted by kicking you out.Have Gilberts been blackmailed by the London Board?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-41782958305848444772015-03-13T08:59:05.237+00:002015-03-13T08:59:05.237+00:00The LBS are busy telling the jc that as gilbert ha...The LBS are busy telling the jc that as gilbert has left they may have to shut one of their shecitah operations. This the Lbs claim would mean a shortage of kosher meat in the uk<br /><br />two things slightly wrong with that<br />1) If they shut their operation because Gilbert would buy from somewhere else then why should that mean less meat available to the uk kosher consumer? It would only mean that LBS would loose market share. As Lbs is a registered charity that ensures supply of kosher meat, if there is plenty of kosher meat without them, so let them shut down. We could offer their trustees awards and compliments, job well done><br /><br />2) Lbs have threatened gilberts that they may not supply him beef even for his own non mehadrim sales and of course they wont cop operate with a mehadrim stream, so they refuse to sell then cry that they may have to shut their Manchester operation, what hypocritesFed spokesman( I wish)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-9265967202026192892015-03-12T22:12:39.117+00:002015-03-12T22:12:39.117+00:00I have just bought the new gourmet mehadrim meat ...I have just bought the new gourmet mehadrim meat to the tune of 6 Side Bola's for £12 kg and lots of rib eye steaks for £16 kg, amazing<br /><br />The stuff is about 40% below retail prices, of course the butchers don't like the concept of cheap prices!<br /><br />the outlet even employ someone to give recipes! wonderful service, all about the consumer and not the profits of the butchers.<br /><br />whether the butchers are nice people or not its not about their profits but rather about the thousands of kosher consumers.just finished my shopping, amazing savings on teh new belzer fleish in the outletnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-18782443944390762062015-03-12T15:48:23.872+00:002015-03-12T15:48:23.872+00:00Greenberg in charge of a vaad rabbonim? I'm no...Greenberg in charge of a vaad rabbonim? I'm not too worried, rabbis don't seem to accomplish very much aside from waffle on from their pulpits - few people pay heed to their out-of-touch hot air anyway. When you have a whole group of them them together it's just 'x' times zero..... which always comes to zero. Dispassionate Observations from the Upper Echelonsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-28119920181740584742015-03-11T23:29:54.629+00:002015-03-11T23:29:54.629+00:00GET YOUR KOSHER LEMEHADRIN MEAT NOW!!!!
The Cost ...GET YOUR KOSHER LEMEHADRIN MEAT NOW!!!!<br /><br />The Cost Shop / Kosher Outlet has a new line of kosher meat - 'Gourmet Mehadrin' available in the shop now. It's significantly cheaper than other lines available there and will hopefully be very popular. Hopefully this is just the beginning of lower prices and lower cost of living in the kehilla.Free the Fleishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-24080377785034121212015-03-11T21:47:04.654+00:002015-03-11T21:47:04.654+00:00Rumour has it that Rabbi Greenberg's attempt t...Rumour has it that Rabbi Greenberg's attempt to grab power is continuing with the launch of a new NW Vaad Harabonim. It's very worrying that a man who proved through the CH saga that he was prepared to put politics above principle every time is amassing so many roles. Admittedly, he's a capable moreh horo'oh, but he should definitely not be allowed to climb the greasy pole too quickly.Golders Greenernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4371357989254214618.post-76068512034372017302015-03-10T13:43:13.394+00:002015-03-10T13:43:13.394+00:00http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/131403/federatio...http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/131403/federation-says-its-kosher-meat-operation-not-causing-communal-disunity<br /><br />More Chronicling of the unfolding situation. Free the Fleishnoreply@blogger.com